Pompeo: Iranians and Iraqis should view this US action as "giving them their freedom"

[DandyDon]

This should end well.

[CaptQuint]

If Americans Die in the Escalating Iran Crisis, Remember That Mike Pompeo Called It ‘a Little Noise’

https://www.thenation.com/article/mike- ... ssination/

I blame Trump

[CaptQuint]

[DandyDon]

So who trusts this administrations yet to be released (maybe?) report on injuries/causalities of the missile attack?

[CaptQuint]

So who trusts this administrations yet to be released (maybe?) report on injuries/causalities of the missile attack?

Fake news, top officials said the assassination made Americans safer

[DandyDon]

So who trusts this administrations yet to be released (maybe?) report on injuries/causalities of the missile attack?

Fake news, top officials said the assassination made Americans safer

Or massive damage/injuries justifying immediate response with 20,000 more troops and many missile strikes. You cant change President in the middle of a war, right?

[CaptQuint]

So who trusts this administrations yet to be released (maybe?) report on injuries/causalities of the missile attack?

Fake news, top officials said the assassination made Americans safer

Or massive damage/injuries justifying immediate response with 20,000 more troops and many missile strikes. You cant change President in the middle of a war, right?

[DandyDon]

Well gas just went up .20 a gal since I got off work, so we have that going for us.

[Cassandros]

Trump is doing what he is supposed to do; he is taking the existing policy of trashing the Constitution under bullshit claims of national security and doing what the last m&m did... but doing so in a little more extreme and overt manner.

Bush started a drone assassination program that was iffy at best, Obama took it and expanded it (even using it against a US citizen), and now Trump is pushing the envelope a little further by ignoring some of the protocols that were set up as an illusion of checks and balances.

The game has been rigged for a long ass time; and both parties are guilty.

You just can't bring yourself to singularly blame Trump for anything that he does. Be a man once in a while.

I blame those who deserve blame and Trump gets plenty, as he is the lead tool in dismantling the last vestiges of the US social contract.

But the reality is if we are to have any intellectual integrity we have to admit that both parties have paved the way for what is happening today, and both continue to enabling it in real-time. But, to paraphrase the late and great George Carlin, 'Americans have been bought off by gizmos and toys... we have it too well and no one wants to rock the boat.'

This is where I am different; while most people just pick a side, watch the circus, cheer for their team, hate on the other, and ultimately remain blind to what is happening outside the show --> I rock the boat.

...And boy do some people hate me for it.

[CaptQuint]

Well gas just went up .20 a gal since I got off work, so we have that going for us.

Don't worry Saudi Arabia is gonna pay for it

[CaptQuint]

BOTH SIDES

[Stapes]

Trump is doing what he is supposed to do; he is taking the existing policy of trashing the Constitution under bullshit claims of national security and doing what the last m&m did... but doing so in a little more extreme and overt manner.

Bush started a drone assassination program that was iffy at best, Obama took it and expanded it (even using it against a US citizen), and now Trump is pushing the envelope a little further by ignoring some of the protocols that were set up as an illusion of checks and balances.

The game has been rigged for a long ass time; and both parties are guilty.

You just can't bring yourself to singularly blame Trump for anything that he does. Be a man once in a while.

I blame those who deserve blame and Trump gets plenty, as he is the lead tool in dismantling the last vestiges of the US social contract.

But the reality is if we are to have any intellectual integrity we have to admit that both parties have paved the way for what is happening today, and both continue to enabling it in real-time. But, to paraphrase the late and great George Carlin, 'Americans have been bought off by gizmos and toys... we have it too well and no one wants to rock the boat.'

This is where I am different; while most people just pick a side, watch the circus, cheer for their team, hate on the other, and ultimately remain blind to what is happening outside the show --> I rock the boat.

...And boy do some people hate me for it.

Except you don't rock the boat. You play with your dick. Change can only come within the system. Pick your side and work the system.

What is your solution? No political parties? Anarchy? Ya fucking hippy that shit don't work.

[VinceBordenIII]

I don’t believe the Iranians want to do anything substantial. If our troops were not killed or injured, I’d even suspect they somehow let slip the attack ahead of time. They must know that a real attack would have real consequences for them. We are not fucking around.

That’s all speculation. Why? My own observation of Arabs and Persians is they love to saber rattle. They use a lot of big talk. Maybe they’re compensating for the numerous ass beatings they’ve been given by the west. Maybe it’s their culture.

[Cassandros]

Trump is doing what he is supposed to do; he is taking the existing policy of trashing the Constitution under bullshit claims of national security and doing what the last m&m did... but doing so in a little more extreme and overt manner.

Bush started a drone assassination program that was iffy at best, Obama took it and expanded it (even using it against a US citizen), and now Trump is pushing the envelope a little further by ignoring some of the protocols that were set up as an illusion of checks and balances.

The game has been rigged for a long ass time; and both parties are guilty.

You just can't bring yourself to singularly blame Trump for anything that he does. Be a man once in a while.

I blame those who deserve blame and Trump gets plenty, as he is the lead tool in dismantling the last vestiges of the US social contract.

But the reality is if we are to have any intellectual integrity we have to admit that both parties have paved the way for what is happening today, and both continue to enabling it in real-time. But, to paraphrase the late and great George Carlin, 'Americans have been bought off by gizmos and toys... we have it too well and no one wants to rock the boat.'

This is where I am different; while most people just pick a side, watch the circus, cheer for their team, hate on the other, and ultimately remain blind to what is happening outside the show --> I rock the boat.

...And boy do some people hate me for it.

Except you don't rock the boat. You play with your dick. Change can only come within the system. Pick your side and work the system.

What is your solution? No political parties? Anarchy? Ya fucking hippy that shit don't work.

LOL.

It is a good thing the Founders didn't think like you... They understood one cannot fix a system from within when it is rigged.

Now to answer your question, in a tl;dr format as it is a remarkable complex situation, three simple things I would like to see are:
-- More political parties. Because more choices, especially moderate choices, is a good thing.
-- Making politicians wear the logos of all their donors on their suits like NASCAR racers. I think it would be a real eye opener if people realized how many interest groups fund both sides.
-- End political ads, create a site that shows who is running, their history, where they stand on issues, and a basic bio. Debates need to still exist, but the whole format needs revamping. Sound bites debates are pointless, make more of them with less people, run by moderators who are well vetted to have as little bias as possible (much like how a jury is selected).

Now of course, the obvious problem with the first is: too many people are too scared and/or indoctrinated and will not break their party ranks, so additional parties cannot really take root past the 'novelty' stage. The second and third have a similar issue, they require the people in power to pass such a laws; something the political elite will never feel pressure to do because We the People are so stuck in team-think identity-politics to unite on, well, virtually anything.

The first step, as far as I can tell, has to be pulling off the blinders that prevent people from seeing/admitting their party is as corrupt and culpable for the destruction of the Constitution as the other side. Until then, nothing meaningful will happen, blue or red, the new boss will pick up where the last left off and they will continue to steer this ship straight to hell.

[Cassandros]

I don’t believe the Iranians want to do anything substantial. If our troops were not killed or injured, I’d even suspect they somehow let slip the attack ahead of time. They must know that a real attack would have real consequences for them. We are not fucking around.

That’s all speculation. Why? My own observation of Arabs and Persians is they love to saber rattle. They use a lot of big talk. Maybe they’re compensating for the numerous ass beatings they’ve been given by the west. Maybe it’s their culture.

Agreed.

Plus Trump has stated his willingness to commit war crimes as part of a retaliation, that is enough to make you think real hard about how to proceed.

Unfortunately you can pretty much bank on Iraq being part of Iran now. I can totally see al-Sadr stepping up his rhetoric and taking a more active role in politics in the region. If the goal was to keep US troops in the Middle East for another decade, mission accomplished...

[Charliesheen]

It's clear who our red diaper babies are pulling for. Talking up the Persians and their military, as if it compares to the US by any metric.

The US can crush them to the Stone Age, and has always been able to do so. There is nothing stopping us from doing so, except what. You homos don't even consider the silence from Irans so called allies, the ones who participated in joint military exercises. Where the fuck are they now?

[AnalHamster]

Yeah, the US can crush them almost as easily as the Taliban, the Iraqis and the Viet Cong. Looks like chump has got the message anyway, Iran launched some ballistic missiles at US bases from inside Iran, an escalation and clear act of war, but also basically theatre with no casualties reported. That lets them save some face, and no casualties allows chump to pussy out of responding despite all the bluster. If that's the end of the tit for tat, Iran has scored a major win with the US being told to leave Iraq.

[CaptQuint]

No survivors after Ukrainian Boeing passenger plane crashes in Iran
Iranian officials blamed mechanical issues for the crash, while Ukrainian authorities said it was too early to determine the cause.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukra ... a-n1112216

[AnalHamster]

They may have accidentally shot it down, must've been on high alert for US warplanes. It was a boeing though, those things tend to fall right out of the sky.

[CaptQuint]

They may have accidentally shot it down, must've been on high alert for US warplanes. It was a boeing though, those things tend to fall right out of the sky.

Boeing, Ukraine and Iran. It's like they are trying to condense all the news stories into one now.

[CaptQuint]

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[Charliesheen]

So we can add the US aerospace bidness to the list of things our British buttboy is jealous aboot.

[VinceBordenIII]

Turns out Iran did telegraph their punches.
We caught the missiles on radar, but also they told the Iraqis to keep their troops away from certain installations. Of course, that was meant to be leaked to us.

[AnalHamster]

Well yes, Iran is the grownup in the room. They needed to respond, but they did so proportionally and responsibly, leaving room for deescalation. Sure, trump blustered and lied and promised retaliaton with war crimes, but even his own secDef couldn't support that so they aren't taking much of a risk calling his bluff there. Behind the scenes is their real move, getting the yanks kicked out of Iraq leaving them with free reign. This whole debacle has been a major, major win for Iran. Now they have a vassal state, a restarted nuclear program, and national unity in the face of the Great Satan. Helluva mess for the next dem potus to clean up. Even trump supporters can't get behind a unified message about just what the fuck the dimmy thinks he's up to this time, de-escalation and humiliating withdrawal is the best and probably only option for the US now. Still, the defeat can be sold to the trumpcucks as a derp fulfilled, when US troops run home leaving their billion dollar bases to the Iranians.

[VinceBordenIII]

Well yes, Iran is the grownup in the room. They needed to respond, but they did so proportionally and responsibly, leaving room for deescalation. Sure, trump blustered and lied and promised retaliaton with war crimes, but even his own secDef couldn't support that so they aren't taking much of a risk calling his bluff there. Behind the scenes is their real move, getting the yanks kicked out of Iraq leaving them with free reign. This whole debacle has been a major, major win for Iran. Now they have a vassal state, a restarted nuclear program, and national unity in the face of the Great Satan. Helluva mess for the next dem potus to clean up. Even trump supporters can't get behind a unified message about just what the fuck the dimmy thinks he's up to this time, de-escalation and humiliating withdrawal is the best and probably only option for the US now. Still, the defeat can be sold to the trumpcucks as a derp fulfilled, when US troops run home leaving their billion dollar bases to the Iranians.

You sound like an Iranian.