Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:04 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:03 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:55 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:54 pm
Biker wrote:
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https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan

Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
So you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.
National rent control is a socialist staple, dippy
No it's not, the socialist approach would be the government owning the houses. Something like the statewide rent control Oregon introduced last year with a cap of inflation plus 7% and a 15 year exemption for new builds really isn't socialism. The claim you were looking to prove though was that he's planning to nationalise the energy industry, keep runnin' I guess.
Nice dodge
What are you claiming I have dodged, you cowardly lying mental midget? I guess dodging with a claim that I dodged something you can't state is the best you can do though.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:10 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:06 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:04 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:03 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:55 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
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So you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.
National rent control is a socialist staple, dippy
No it's not, the socialist approach would be the government owning the houses. Something like the statewide rent control Oregon introduced last year with a cap of inflation plus 7% and a 15 year exemption for new builds really isn't socialism. The claim you were looking to prove though was that he's planning to nationalise the energy industry, keep runnin' I guess.
Nice dodge
What are you claiming I have dodged, you cowardly lying mental midget? I guess dodging with a claim that I dodged something you can't state is the best you can do though.
You cited the Oregon thing, which is not what Bernie proposed. But Im sure he would appreciate the cover
The Oregon thing is statewide rent control, you think that is not relevant to nationwide rent control? It's the model, you dimwit. Bernie's proposal on rent control is the same thing with different figures. Is Oregon now socialist?

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by CaptQuint » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:13 pm

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Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pm
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If Bernie is elected and implements that the right wingers here will lose the ability to bitch about human shit on the streets of San Francisco
Oh, you think most homelessness is a housing issue. How cute!
Did you read your link?
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:13 pm

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Is Oregon now socialist?
Youve never been to Oregon I see :lol:
Fuck no, not really on the tourist trail. So, are you claiming Oregon is a socialist state or not? Perhaps things are only socialist if Bernie does them?

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:15 pm

CaptQuint wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:13 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pm
CaptQuint wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:57 pm
If Bernie is elected and implements that the right wingers here will lose the ability to bitch about human shit on the streets of San Francisco
Oh, you think most homelessness is a housing issue. How cute!
Did you read your link?
He never does. All fake news anyway, what he should do is gather his own data. Just stroll around the homeless and tell them their issue isn't that they don't have housing. I think we'd all appreciate the results.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by CaptQuint » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:25 pm

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The two of you should really read his proposals before spouting nonsense. Just sayin
We can't spout nonsense, you have cornered the market
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:25 pm

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The two of you should really read his proposals before spouting nonsense. Just sayin
I read his housing proposal, and a summary of the oregon law, in the course of replying in this thread. Sorry, I know it chafes your balls when I edumacate myself on a topic under discussion, but you really should give it a go. So, is Oregon socialist or not? Sack up and answer, you pussy.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by CaptQuint » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:28 pm

AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:25 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:19 pm
The two of you should really read his proposals before spouting nonsense. Just sayin
I read his housing proposal, and a summary of the oregon law, in the course of replying in this thread. Sorry, I know it chafes your balls when I edumacate myself on a topic under discussion, but you really should give it a go. So, is Oregon socialist or not? Sack up and answer, you pussy.
I'm just gonna discount anything you learned because you googled it
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:31 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:29 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:25 pm
Biker wrote:
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The two of you should really read his proposals before spouting nonsense. Just sayin
I read his housing proposal, and a summary of the oregon law, in the course of replying in this thread. Sorry, I know it chafes your balls when I edumacate myself on a topic under discussion, but you really should give it a go. So, is Oregon socialist or not? Sack up and answer, you pussy.
We're discussing Bernie's policies, not Oregons
Part of Bernie's proposal is national rent control, and Oregon in 2019 introduced statewide rent control. You are just pretending you can't see the relevance because you are a cowardly mental midget incapable of honest discussion of anything. You will never dare to answer the question I've asked a few times now on whether you are declaring Oregon is a socialist state, because you know it isn't. Where reality conflicts with a pronouncement you have made, you run away.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:35 pm

Biker wrote:
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Are you pretending that Bernie's and Oregon's policies are exactly the same?
Already said they weren't, due to using different rates. Why are you so afraid of saying whether or not Oregon is socialist now? I really don't get what goes on in the mind of someone who is too afraid to answer a simple question and incapable of either reconsidering the flaw exposed in their position or just dropping it. It's weird. I got past that at about the age of 5.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:43 pm

Biker wrote:
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Do you mean the entire economy of Oregon or just this small rent control policy?
I'm trying to get you to face whichever you mean with your declaration that your link shows Bernie is a secret socialist. This policy is your basis for calling bernie a socialist commie isn't it? You clearly can't find anything less than 50 years old on your original contention that he wants to nationalise energy companies so you came up with this. Did you mean the whole of Bernie was a socialist commie, or just this one policy?

Tell you what, let's try to shortcut a few of the dodging posts. I assume you're eventually going to declare it is a socialist policy to cap rents at inflation plus x% with an exemption for new builds and property improvements, at which point I will ask you what socialism is, we will establish it means the government controlling the means of production, in this case owning the houses, which simply does not fit with privately owned and rented accommodation giving returns to the private investors that hold them. Think it through, we really don't need to go another couple of pages for you to either grasp this or admit you'll never admit it. I'll even toss you a bone, Bernie is pitching too low at x=3, Oregon is more at the mark with x=7, because the property investment has to offer better returns than a stock tracker. Even if traitorous moscow mitch is removed though, the compromise that can pass will still be more like 10.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:50 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:46 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
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Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:39 pm
Do you mean the entire economy of Oregon or just this small rent control policy?
I'm trying to get you to face whichever you mean with your declaration that your link shows Bernie is a secret socialist. This policy is your basis for calling bernie a socialist commie isn't it? You clearly can't find anything less than 50 years old on your original contention that he wants to nationalise energy companies so you came up with this. Did you mean the whole of Bernie was a socialist commie, or just this one policy?
If the government produces and controls housing unit, is that socialist?
That would be social housing, it is distinct from rent control which is what we were discussing before you ran away with this dodge. If you grow a pair, you big baby, and discuss what we were actually discussing first, I will then explore the social housing aspect with you. If you are too pathetic, childish and cowardly to discuss the rent control side, I won't.

In case you missed the edit:
Tell you what, let's try to shortcut a few of the dodging posts. I assume you're eventually going to declare it is a socialist policy to cap rents at inflation plus x% with an exemption for new builds and property improvements, at which point I will ask you what socialism is, we will establish it means the government controlling the means of production, in this case owning the houses, which simply does not fit with privately owned and rented accommodation giving returns to the private investors that hold them. Think it through, we really don't need to go another couple of pages for you to either grasp this or admit you'll never admit it. I'll even toss you a bone, Bernie is pitching too low at x=3, Oregon is more at the mark with x=7, because the property investment has to offer better returns than a stock tracker. Even if traitorous moscow mitch is removed though, the compromise that can pass will still be more like 10.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Charliesheen » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:24 am

What a perfect way to ensure that demand will always exceed supply.

One of my favorites.

In the US, bread waits for buyers.
in Cuba, buyers wait for the bread.

Unless it's one of our local bakeries.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:34 am

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Yes, I do think rent control is socialist
at which point I will ask you what socialism is, we will establish it means the government controlling the means of production, in this case owning the houses, which simply does not fit with privately owned and rented accommodation giving returns to the private investors that hold them. Think it through, we really don't need to go another couple of pages for you to either grasp this or admit you'll never admit it.
So we're going with you'll just never admit it then.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Stapes » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:56 am

Charliesheen wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:24 am
What a perfect way to ensure that demand will always exceed supply.

One of my favorites.

In the US, bread waits for buyers.
in Cuba, buyers wait for the bread.

Unless it's one of our local bakeries.

Image

Do you think maybe its from decades of US sanctions and embargos devastating their economy? No bank or foreign business will do business or extend credit to them in fear of US retaliation. You may think that's just wonderful but the one's getting hurt are the regular people not the elites at the top. Your ability to shrug off others suffering is pretty amazing to me. We can only pray nothing horrible befalls you and you find yourself in need.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Charliesheen » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:17 am

Stapes wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:56 am
Charliesheen wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:24 am
What a perfect way to ensure that demand will always exceed supply.

One of my favorites.

In the US, bread waits for buyers.
in Cuba, buyers wait for the bread.

Unless it's one of our local bakeries.

Image

Do you think maybe its from decades of US sanctions and embargos devastating their economy? No bank or foreign business will do business or extend credit to them in fear of US retaliation. You may think that's just wonderful but the one's getting hurt are the regular people not the elites at the top. Your ability to shrug off others suffering is pretty amazing to me. We can only pray nothing horrible befalls you and you find yourself in need.
You should get out more. If you did you'd build your knowledge base from more sources, like folks on the ground, not Fox or PMSNBC.

I had a nice visit with an English speaking Cuban tobacco farmer, after going horseback riding around his plantation. Castro's syndicate lets him keep 10% of his production. The rest goes to Cohiba and other top-tier brands. Getting up an hour earlier every day has zero impact on his wealth. He holds back on his production, lies when he can, and sells his own stoges for $100 a box.

Havana ran out of chicken. They ran out of their local beer, Cristal, which was delicious. It'd be like runnng out of Coors in Denver.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Stapes » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:51 am

Charliesheen wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:17 am
Stapes wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:56 am
Charliesheen wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:24 am
What a perfect way to ensure that demand will always exceed supply.

One of my favorites.

In the US, bread waits for buyers.
in Cuba, buyers wait for the bread.

Unless it's one of our local bakeries.

Image

Do you think maybe its from decades of US sanctions and embargos devastating their economy? No bank or foreign business will do business or extend credit to them in fear of US retaliation. You may think that's just wonderful but the one's getting hurt are the regular people not the elites at the top. Your ability to shrug off others suffering is pretty amazing to me. We can only pray nothing horrible befalls you and you find yourself in need.
You should get out more. If you did you'd build your knowledge base from more sources, like folks on the ground, not Fox or PMSNBC.

I had a nice visit with an English speaking Cuban tobacco farmer, after going horseback riding around his plantation. Castro's syndicate lets him keep 10% of his production. The rest goes to Cohiba and other top-tier brands. Getting up an hour earlier every day has zero impact on his wealth. He holds back on his production, lies when he can, and sells his own stoges for $100 a box.

Havana ran out of chicken. They ran out of their local beer, Cristal, which was delicious. It'd be like runnng out of Coors in Denver.


I'm glad you got to ride around his "plantation"....lol Doesn't sound like he's one of the elites now does it. Let them eat cake right Charlie...

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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In the US, bread waits for buyers.

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Post by Charliesheen » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:44 pm

Fighting a trade war takes extraordinary measures.

Bet you're happy Boeing isn't shipping 737's, too.

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Post by CaptQuint » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:51 pm

Fighting an unnecessary trade war requires SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Charliesheen » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:20 pm

Unnecessary to you, clearly.

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Post by CaptQuint » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:23 pm

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Unnecessary to you, clearly.
Americans paying higher prices AND handing out bushels of government money should seem unnecessary to anyone with half a brain.
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by CaptQuint » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:00 pm

Biker wrote:
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No socialists running in the Dem party. Just ask Hammy. Bernie is a balls to the wall capilaist
Bernie Sanders is a more successful capitalist than you.
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:34 pm

Biker wrote:
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No socialists running in the Dem party. Just ask Hammy. Bernie is a balls to the wall capilaist
He's a social democrat, like the Nordic model. Free enterprise is welcomed, encouraged, and taxed at a higher rate. The results are simply better.

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Post by Charliesheen » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:44 pm

Clearly better results for the free stuff crowd, and the swamp which feeds them.

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