FSchmertz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:57 pm
The numbers on how many affected are difficult, and probably will remain so for a long time.
I think the numbers cited here are too low on infection rates, and the actually fatality rates consequently are lower than calculated too. Too few have been tested to find out how many have it and have shown few signs. I'm thinking it's a large number.
Fine, lets make the multiplier 10x. That still brings a number of 0.2% infected with a death rate much, much lower
Does any of the measures we've taken warrant the actual numbers?
No.
Worse, this feels like a dry run to me.
Like in a few years this will happen again, but instead of just the three liberal bastions going in full police state mode -> the entire Country will.
/shudder
“The society that puts equality before freedom will end up with neither, the society that puts freedom before equality will end up with a great deal of both.” --Milton Friedman
This. I have seen this type of transportation of Military vehicles before on the same railroad and others in Socal numerous times over the years. Looks like they are moving them through Downtown SD and are almost to the airport.
Blast wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:02 pm
Glad to hear from you, what are you doing to help manage the symptoms?
She has the meds they gave her. I keep her drinking fluids (whether she wants to or not). I have a fan and a humidifier running in her room. Cool moist cloths on her forehead and wrists. There's really only so much I can do.
Like in a few years this will happen again, but instead of just the three liberal bastions going in full police state mode -> the entire Country will.
/shudder
Yep
With all your scientific knowledge studying that virus everyone should listen to you, and your president from 2 weeks ago. You guys know more about that fake virus than just aboot anyone. It's all overblown bullshit right? You guys need to convince all your friends and family to go aboot their days as normal. It's a conspiracy, don't believe these so called scientists. All the people dying in Italy are fake news. Do the people of Italy a favour, get on a plane and travel there. Support their tourism industry. Tell your friends and family to do the same. You guys know more than everyone.
Like in a few years this will happen again, but instead of just the three liberal bastions going in full police state mode -> the entire Country will.
/shudder
Yep
With all your scientific knowledge studying that virus everyone should listen to you, and your president from 2 weeks ago. You guys know more about that fake virus than just aboot anyone. It's all overblown bullshit right? You guys need to convince all your friends and family to go aboot their days as normal. It's a conspiracy, don't believe these so called scientists. All the people dying in Italy are fake news. Do the people of Italy a favour, get on a plane and travel there. Support their tourism industry. Tell your friends and family to do the same. You guys know more than everyone.
Venice is the place to be right now. Imagine having the chapels and museums to yourself. Having the canals not smell like raw sewage. Not having to listen to loudmouths destroying the inherent peace of a city without cars and trucks. Getting there and getting home would be the trick.
Charliesheen wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:32 pm
Venice is the place to be right now. Imagine having the chapels and museums to yourself. Having the canals not smell like raw sewage. Not having to listen to loudmouths destroying the inherent peace of a city without cars and trucks. Getting there and getting home would be the trick.
Like in a few years this will happen again, but instead of just the three liberal bastions going in full police state mode -> the entire Country will.
/shudder
Yep
With all your scientific knowledge studying that virus everyone should listen to you, and your president from 2 weeks ago. You guys know more about that fake virus than just aboot anyone. It's all overblown bullshit right? You guys need to convince all your friends and family to go aboot their days as normal. It's a conspiracy, don't believe these so called scientists. All the people dying in Italy are fake news. Do the people of Italy a favour, get on a plane and travel there. Support their tourism industry. Tell your friends and family to do the same. You guys know more than everyone.
Charliesheen wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:32 pm
Venice is the place to be right now. Imagine having the chapels and museums to yourself. Having the canals not smell like raw sewage. Not having to listen to loudmouths destroying the inherent peace of a city without cars and trucks. Getting there and getting home would be the trick.
The news about the water being "cleaner" actually means "clearer" because the boats and watercraft arent stirring up sediment from the floor of the canal. Not necessarily because nature hit reset.
Like in a few years this will happen again, but instead of just the three liberal bastions going in full police state mode -> the entire Country will.
/shudder
Yep
With all your scientific knowledge studying that virus everyone should listen to you, and your president from 2 weeks ago. You guys know more about that fake virus than just aboot anyone. It's all overblown bullshit right? You guys need to convince all your friends and family to go aboot their days as normal. It's a conspiracy, don't believe these so called scientists. All the people dying in Italy are fake news. Do the people of Italy a favour, get on a plane and travel there. Support their tourism industry. Tell your friends and family to do the same. You guys know more than everyone.
And retard identified. Although most here already knew that.
Keep swallowing the hysterical media’s balls, dipshit
Keep sticking your head in the sand, retard. You're one of the standard fucking know it alls. You are encroaching on WTC levels of Dunning Kruger effect. The media are making up all the death numbers in Italy, right? It's not that bad. What a fucking simpleton.
With all your scientific knowledge studying that virus everyone should listen to you, and your president from 2 weeks ago. You guys know more about that fake virus than just aboot anyone. It's all overblown bullshit right? You guys need to convince all your friends and family to go aboot their days as normal. It's a conspiracy, don't believe these so called scientists. All the people dying in Italy are fake news. Do the people of Italy a favour, get on a plane and travel there. Support their tourism industry. Tell your friends and family to do the same. You guys know more than everyone.
And retard identified. Although most here already knew that.
Keep swallowing the hysterical media’s balls, dipshit
Keep sticking your head in the sand, retard. You're one of the standard fucking know it alls. You are encroaching on WTC levels of Dunning Kruger effect. The media are making up all the death numbers in Italy, right? It's not that bad. What a fucking simpleton.
I stand corrected. Old fuck identified
44 years old, retard, is that old to you? You still haven't answered my question, you just deflect. Are the number of deaths in Italy bullshit? Not that serious? Are you an infectious disease specialist who knows more than everyone else? Answer those questions, don't deflect. Tell us all about it, you fucking know it all.
Biker wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:09 pm
Does 0.08% infected warrant the types of measures Italy is going through?
The problem isn't the numbers right now, its the trend of the numbers right now. These charts are on such an exponential growth rate, that waiting a week can lead to differences that are unimaginable.
Right now it is March 21. That means there have been 3 weeks in the month of march. On the charts now, the data prior to March 1 (really prior to about March 4) doesn't even show up on the chart its so microscopic.
Its really a blessing that we have these "hot spot" areas to wake the rest of us the fuck up to do the things that we are doing right now.
It seems like just 2 or 3 days ago that I heard Cuomo saying "we will never lock down the city, that would throw us into complete chaos. In just a couple of days he has gone from "no way" to doing it. The speed of this spread is mind blowing.
And retard identified. Although most here already knew that.
Keep swallowing the hysterical media’s balls, dipshit
Keep sticking your head in the sand, retard. You're one of the standard fucking know it alls. You are encroaching on WTC levels of Dunning Kruger effect. The media are making up all the death numbers in Italy, right? It's not that bad. What a fucking simpleton.
I stand corrected. Old fuck identified
44 years old, retard, is that old to you? You still haven't answered my question, you just deflect. Are the number of deaths in Italy bullshit? Not that serious? Are you an infectious disease specialist who knows more than everyone else? Answer those questions, don't deflect. Tell us all about it, you fucking know it all.
Does 0.08% infected warrant the types of measures Italy is going through?
Closed Cases
10,897
Cases which had an outcome:
6,072 (56%)
Recovered / Discharged
4,825 (44%)
Deaths
44% of the cases that had an outcome there so far have resulted in death. And there are over 42,000 cases there waiting for an outcome. Is that overblown to you?
Flumper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:17 pm
The speed of this spread is mind blowing.
Yeah, thats what we're told. In Italy, there are on average 70k deaths per year, or 5200 per month. 4k are dead from the Chinese virus in two plus months
Everyone who claims to love science and math totally ignore whats going on here
so, 800 people died yesterday in Italy from the virus (supposedly). Do you have reason to think that's fake news?
Closed Cases
10,897
Cases which had an outcome:
6,072 (56%)
Recovered / Discharged
4,825 (44%)
Deaths
44% of the cases that had an outcome there so far have resulted in death. And there are over 42,000 cases there waiting for an outcome. Is that overblown to you?
woah, now. slow down. The number of "deaths" and the number of "recovered" are never going to be on a level to compare until this is all over with. It takes weeks in order for people to go into the "recovered" category. What we do know from statistics is that the death rate is below 4% and somewhere in the 1 to 2% rate. So, you can't re-invent those numbers.
In other words, IF you get the virus, you have less than a 4% chance of dying. Not 44%.
Flumper wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:17 pm
The speed of this spread is mind blowing.
Yeah, thats what we're told. In Italy, there are on average 70k deaths per year, or 5200 per month. 4k are dead from the Chinese virus in two plus months
Everyone who claims to love science and math totally ignore whats going on here
so, 800 people died yesterday in Italy from the virus (supposedly). Do you have reason to think that's fake news?
No, completely real but thats not really the norm. Northern Italy has some of the oldest populations in all of Europe.