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I can't help but feel like this is a Trojan Horse that will bite Joe in the end. (I made a pun)

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1st one is played out and you are right to worry about that one.

2nd had potential until it starts bashing the crazy white people from the OC.

3rd was the best try but it actually made me like Trump more now because it makes him look funny, which he is not.
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The Lincoln Project, the rogue former Republicans trying to take down Trump, explained

"The Lincoln Project’s goal is to get Trump out of office. But some argue its members helped him get in."
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“If I had but one bullet and were faced by both an enemy and a traitor, I would let the traitor have it.”

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VinceBordenIII wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:01 pm “If I had but one bullet and were faced by both an enemy and a traitor, I would let the traitor have it.”

― Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, For My Legionaries
Dissent equals traitor?
wut?
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Wut wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:17 pm
VinceBordenIII wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:01 pm “If I had but one bullet and were faced by both an enemy and a traitor, I would let the traitor have it.”

― Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, For My Legionaries
Dissent equals traitor?
When political positions are extreme, those two terms get used to mean the same thing.

In the 1790s, opposition political parties were new and not fully accepted. Government leaders often considered their opponents to be traitors. Historian Ron Chernow reports that Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton and President George Washington "regarded much of the criticism fired at their administration as disloyal, even treasonous, in nature."[33] When an undeclared Quasi-War broke out with France in 1797–98, "Hamilton increasingly mistook dissent for treason and engaged in hyperbole." Furthermore, the Jeffersonian opposition party behaved the same way.[34] After 1801, with a peaceful transition in the political party in power, the rhetoric of "treason" against political opponents diminished.
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Everybody's a traitor!
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Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:22 pm
Wut wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:17 pm
VinceBordenIII wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:01 pm “If I had but one bullet and were faced by both an enemy and a traitor, I would let the traitor have it.”

― Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, For My Legionaries
Dissent equals traitor?
When political positions are extreme, those two terms get used to mean the same thing.

In the 1790s, opposition political parties were new and not fully accepted. Government leaders often considered their opponents to be traitors. Historian Ron Chernow reports that Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton and President George Washington "regarded much of the criticism fired at their administration as disloyal, even treasonous, in nature."[33] When an undeclared Quasi-War broke out with France in 1797–98, "Hamilton increasingly mistook dissent for treason and engaged in hyperbole." Furthermore, the Jeffersonian opposition party behaved the same way.[34] After 1801, with a peaceful transition in the political party in power, the rhetoric of "treason" against political opponents diminished.
Well i had hoped we had grown up a little since then.
wut?
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Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:22 pm
Wut wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:17 pm
VinceBordenIII wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:01 pm “If I had but one bullet and were faced by both an enemy and a traitor, I would let the traitor have it.”

― Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, For My Legionaries
Dissent equals traitor?
When political positions are extreme, those two terms get used to mean the same thing.

In the 1790s, opposition political parties were new and not fully accepted. Government leaders often considered their opponents to be traitors. Historian Ron Chernow reports that Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton and President George Washington "regarded much of the criticism fired at their administration as disloyal, even treasonous, in nature."[33] When an undeclared Quasi-War broke out with France in 1797–98, "Hamilton increasingly mistook dissent for treason and engaged in hyperbole." Furthermore, the Jeffersonian opposition party behaved the same way.[34] After 1801, with a peaceful transition in the political party in power, the rhetoric of "treason" against political opponents diminished.
You realise everyone in the wrong side of the civil war actually was a literal traitor, right?

I mean in one of the threads you have run away from, you are explicitly defending someone pardoned (meaning admitting guilt and asking for mercy for) treason against the United States
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AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:06 pm
Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:22 pm
Wut wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:17 pm
VinceBordenIII wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:01 pm “If I had but one bullet and were faced by both an enemy and a traitor, I would let the traitor have it.”

― Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, For My Legionaries
Dissent equals traitor?
When political positions are extreme, those two terms get used to mean the same thing.

In the 1790s, opposition political parties were new and not fully accepted. Government leaders often considered their opponents to be traitors. Historian Ron Chernow reports that Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton and President George Washington "regarded much of the criticism fired at their administration as disloyal, even treasonous, in nature."[33] When an undeclared Quasi-War broke out with France in 1797–98, "Hamilton increasingly mistook dissent for treason and engaged in hyperbole." Furthermore, the Jeffersonian opposition party behaved the same way.[34] After 1801, with a peaceful transition in the political party in power, the rhetoric of "treason" against political opponents diminished.
You realise everyone in the wrong side of the civil war actually was a literal traitor, right?

I mean in one of the threads you have run away from, you are explicitly defending someone pardoned (meaning admitting guilt and asking for mercy for) treason against the United States
i am not running away from shit. you are too stupid to debate some topics with.
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Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:08 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:06 pm
Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:22 pm
Wut wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:17 pm
VinceBordenIII wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:01 pm “If I had but one bullet and were faced by both an enemy and a traitor, I would let the traitor have it.”

― Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, For My Legionaries
Dissent equals traitor?
When political positions are extreme, those two terms get used to mean the same thing.

In the 1790s, opposition political parties were new and not fully accepted. Government leaders often considered their opponents to be traitors. Historian Ron Chernow reports that Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton and President George Washington "regarded much of the criticism fired at their administration as disloyal, even treasonous, in nature."[33] When an undeclared Quasi-War broke out with France in 1797–98, "Hamilton increasingly mistook dissent for treason and engaged in hyperbole." Furthermore, the Jeffersonian opposition party behaved the same way.[34] After 1801, with a peaceful transition in the political party in power, the rhetoric of "treason" against political opponents diminished.
You realise everyone in the wrong side of the civil war actually was a literal traitor, right?

I mean in one of the threads you have run away from, you are explicitly defending someone pardoned (meaning admitting guilt and asking for mercy for) treason against the United States
i am not running away from shit. you are too stupid to debate some topics with.
You're running away from everything including that last post which you did not address.

I'll lay it out for you if you want to be more humiliated.

Were people who fought for the confederacy to destroy the United States a) patriots, or b) traitors? (Hint: the answer is traitors)

Did you run away like a cowardly pussy from my last post to you in this thread or not? Hint: you did. Sorry really no other option on that one:
AnalHamster wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:37 pm
Flumper wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:30 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:28 pm He also slaughtered injuns, and betrayed the United States to fight for the Confederacy to continue practicing slavery. All of which should be taught in history classes, which are unaffected by whether or not there is a statue of him. The history will be unchanged.
The democrats were also the party of slave owners. the ones that fought to keep them in chains. That history will be unchanged.
That history is not celebrated by continuing existence of a party that is now opposed to those values. You are the one attempting to maintain a monument to a democrat who held those values and was pardoned for treason against the United States.

It's that difference which is why people are proposing removing the statue, not abolishing the entire university due to its history of racism. One of those things can change with the times, the other cannot.
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AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:15 pm
Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:08 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:06 pm
Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:22 pm
Wut wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:17 pm
VinceBordenIII wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:01 pm “If I had but one bullet and were faced by both an enemy and a traitor, I would let the traitor have it.”

― Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, For My Legionaries
Dissent equals traitor?
When political positions are extreme, those two terms get used to mean the same thing.

In the 1790s, opposition political parties were new and not fully accepted. Government leaders often considered their opponents to be traitors. Historian Ron Chernow reports that Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton and President George Washington "regarded much of the criticism fired at their administration as disloyal, even treasonous, in nature."[33] When an undeclared Quasi-War broke out with France in 1797–98, "Hamilton increasingly mistook dissent for treason and engaged in hyperbole." Furthermore, the Jeffersonian opposition party behaved the same way.[34] After 1801, with a peaceful transition in the political party in power, the rhetoric of "treason" against political opponents diminished.
You realise everyone in the wrong side of the civil war actually was a literal traitor, right?

I mean in one of the threads you have run away from, you are explicitly defending someone pardoned (meaning admitting guilt and asking for mercy for) treason against the United States
i am not running away from shit. you are too stupid to debate some topics with.
You're running away from everything including that last post which you did not address.

I'll lay it out for you if you want to be more humiliated.

Were people who fought for the confederacy to destroy the United States a) patriots, or b) traitors? (Hint: the answer is traitors)

Did you run away like a cowardly pussy from my last post to you in this thread or not? Hint: you did. Sorry really no other option on that one:
AnalHamster wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:37 pm
Flumper wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:30 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:28 pm He also slaughtered injuns, and betrayed the United States to fight for the Confederacy to continue practicing slavery. All of which should be taught in history classes, which are unaffected by whether or not there is a statue of him. The history will be unchanged.
The democrats were also the party of slave owners. the ones that fought to keep them in chains. That history will be unchanged.
That history is not celebrated by continuing existence of a party that is now opposed to those values. You are the one attempting to maintain a monument to a democrat who held those values and was pardoned for treason against the United States.

It's that difference which is why people are proposing removing the statue, not abolishing the entire university due to its history of racism. One of those things can change with the times, the other cannot.
i didn't answer your post to that thread because I disagree with you. but i have no interest in getting into your hair splitting stupidity that leads to nothing but you doing the childish shit you are doing right now.
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Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:23 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:15 pm
Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:08 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:06 pm
Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:22 pm
Wut wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:17 pm

Dissent equals traitor?
When political positions are extreme, those two terms get used to mean the same thing.

In the 1790s, opposition political parties were new and not fully accepted. Government leaders often considered their opponents to be traitors. Historian Ron Chernow reports that Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton and President George Washington "regarded much of the criticism fired at their administration as disloyal, even treasonous, in nature."[33] When an undeclared Quasi-War broke out with France in 1797–98, "Hamilton increasingly mistook dissent for treason and engaged in hyperbole." Furthermore, the Jeffersonian opposition party behaved the same way.[34] After 1801, with a peaceful transition in the political party in power, the rhetoric of "treason" against political opponents diminished.
You realise everyone in the wrong side of the civil war actually was a literal traitor, right?

I mean in one of the threads you have run away from, you are explicitly defending someone pardoned (meaning admitting guilt and asking for mercy for) treason against the United States
i am not running away from shit. you are too stupid to debate some topics with.
You're running away from everything including that last post which you did not address.

I'll lay it out for you if you want to be more humiliated.

Were people who fought for the confederacy to destroy the United States a) patriots, or b) traitors? (Hint: the answer is traitors)

Did you run away like a cowardly pussy from my last post to you in this thread or not? Hint: you did. Sorry really no other option on that one:
AnalHamster wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:37 pm
Flumper wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:30 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:28 pm He also slaughtered injuns, and betrayed the United States to fight for the Confederacy to continue practicing slavery. All of which should be taught in history classes, which are unaffected by whether or not there is a statue of him. The history will be unchanged.
The democrats were also the party of slave owners. the ones that fought to keep them in chains. That history will be unchanged.
That history is not celebrated by continuing existence of a party that is now opposed to those values. You are the one attempting to maintain a monument to a democrat who held those values and was pardoned for treason against the United States.

It's that difference which is why people are proposing removing the statue, not abolishing the entire university due to its history of racism. One of those things can change with the times, the other cannot.
i didn't answer your post to that thread because I disagree with you. but i have no interest in getting into your hair splitting stupidity that leads to nothing but you doing the childish shit you are doing right now.
You didn't answer it then either, you cowardly fuck. Is there some part you can't comprehend?

Let's try this, I always find it useful in cases where cowards can't admit seeing words: in your own words, what did I say?
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This is turning into a flame broiled thread.
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AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:31 pm
You didn't answer it then either, you cowardly fuck. Is there some part you can't comprehend?

Let's try this, I always find it useful in cases where cowards can't admit seeing words: in your own words, what did I say?
That history is not celebrated by continuing existence of a party that is now opposed to those values. You are the one attempting to maintain a monument to a democrat who held those values and was pardoned for treason against the United States.

It's that difference which is why people are proposing removing the statue, not abolishing the entire university due to its history of racism. One of those things can change with the times, the other cannot.

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you are saying that history is not celebrated by a party that once supported racism and then changed its mind.

then you say that I am maintaining a statue of a democrat who once fought for the south in the Civil War (which meant treason once the war was over).

You say the difference is that people can remove his statue and the memory of him and it will not abolish the racist university that he founded. The statue can be abolished but the racism of the university can't be.
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Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:39 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:31 pm
You didn't answer it then either, you cowardly fuck. Is there some part you can't comprehend?

Let's try this, I always find it useful in cases where cowards can't admit seeing words: in your own words, what did I say?
That history is not celebrated by continuing existence of a party that is now opposed to those values. You are the one attempting to maintain a monument to a democrat who held those values and was pardoned for treason against the United States.

It's that difference which is why people are proposing removing the statue, not abolishing the entire university due to its history of racism. One of those things can change with the times, the other cannot.

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you are saying that history is not celebrated by a party that once supported racism and then changed its mind.

then you say that I am maintaining a statue of a democrat who once fought for the south in the Civil War (which meant treason once the war was over).

You say the difference is that people can remove his statue and the memory of him and it will not abolish the racist university that he founded. The statue can be abolished but the racism of the university can't be.
No, you went off book on the third paragraph and began spouting bullshit. I am saying the statue commemorates and celebrates the person in the statue - representing a fixed point in time. The presence of the statue commemorates and celebrates that fixed point in time. Someone in a statue can't change values, because they are an inanimate object.

The university can and did change values, it is not an inanimate object. That is the difference you refuse to acknowledge. It can and did change values with the times. This is why the statue gets pulled down while the university continues, without the statue. One celebrated the values, the other grew to oppose them.


How many posts are you going to avoid admitting reading this one?
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AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:48 pm
No, you went off book on the third paragraph and began sprouting bullshit. I am saying the statue commemorates and celebrates the person in the statue - representing a fixed point in time. The presence of the statue commemorates and celebrates that fixed point in time. Someone in a statue can't change values, because they are an inanimate object.

The university can and did change values, it is not an inanimate object. That is the difference you refuse to acknowledge. It can and did change values with the times. This is why the statue gets pulled down while the university continues, without the statue. One celebrated the values, the other grew to oppose them.


How many posts are you going to avoid admitting reading this one?
why is his time as a general in the Confederate War the one part of his life that you see when you have a snap shot of him? The statue of him was years later in his life after he had been governor and while he was president of the university. See, you want to measure the history of every man that lived by the darkest moment you can dig up in their lives. Erase all of the good they did because they can only be painted by the worst brush you can find.

I disagree with that. Write it down. If you want to live your life erasing history and painting pretty pictures on those blank pages, then shove a paint brush up your cunt and get to painting.
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Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:55 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:48 pm
No, you went off book on the third paragraph and began sprouting bullshit. I am saying the statue commemorates and celebrates the person in the statue - representing a fixed point in time. The presence of the statue commemorates and celebrates that fixed point in time. Someone in a statue can't change values, because they are an inanimate object.

The university can and did change values, it is not an inanimate object. That is the difference you refuse to acknowledge. It can and did change values with the times. This is why the statue gets pulled down while the university continues, without the statue. One celebrated the values, the other grew to oppose them.


How many posts are you going to avoid admitting reading this one?
why is his time as a general in the Confederate War the one part of his life that you see when you have a snap shot of him? The statue of him was years later in his life after he had been governor and while he was president of the university. See, you want to measure the history of every man that lived by the darkest moment you can dig up in their lives. Erase all of the good they did because they can only be painted by the worst brush you can find.

I disagree with that. Write it down. If you want to live your life erasing history and painting pretty pictures on those blank pages, then shove a paint brush up your cunt and get to painting.
You did not address what I said.

I will address what you said, because I am not a cowardly pussy and understand and can support my positions. I never need to evade anything from anyone.

We do not solely look at the good he allegedly did and ignore the bad, because we can recognise the bad things he did as bad. Yet again, statues celebrate people, they do not teach history. If a Nazi brought over to enhance the NASA rocket program (as many were) then went on to be celebrated in Texas for whatever, would you support a statue of them on public grounds? Would you oppose a statue to a former nazi in America? Genuinely interested to hear the answer in the ten to twelve posts it takes to shame you into finally giving one, if you can stick with it.
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AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:09 pm You did not address what I said.

I will address what you said, because I am not a cowardly pussy and understand and can support my positions. I never need to evade anything from anyone.

We do not solely look at the good he allegedly did and ignore the bad, because we can recognise the bad things he did as bad. Yet again, statues celebrate people, they do not teach history. If a Nazi brought over to enhance the NASA rocket program (as many were) then went on to be celebrated in Texas for whatever, would you support a statue of them on public grounds? Would you oppose a statue to a former nazi in America? Genuinely interested to hear the answer in the ten to twelve posts it takes to shame you into finally giving one, if you can stick with it.
fuck off, loony.
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Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:13 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:09 pm You did not address what I said.

I will address what you said, because I am not a cowardly pussy and understand and can support my positions. I never need to evade anything from anyone.

We do not solely look at the good he allegedly did and ignore the bad, because we can recognise the bad things he did as bad. Yet again, statues celebrate people, they do not teach history. If a Nazi brought over to enhance the NASA rocket program (as many were) then went on to be celebrated in Texas for whatever, would you support a statue of them on public grounds? Would you oppose a statue to a former nazi in America? Genuinely interested to hear the answer in the ten to twelve posts it takes to shame you into finally giving one, if you can stick with it.
fuck off, loony.
You are a coward and a liar and cannot address what I said. You can run away from this thread, but the summary of what you ran away from will follow you in every thread from now on.
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AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:19 pm
Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:13 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:09 pm You did not address what I said.

I will address what you said, because I am not a cowardly pussy and understand and can support my positions. I never need to evade anything from anyone.

We do not solely look at the good he allegedly did and ignore the bad, because we can recognise the bad things he did as bad. Yet again, statues celebrate people, they do not teach history. If a Nazi brought over to enhance the NASA rocket program (as many were) then went on to be celebrated in Texas for whatever, would you support a statue of them on public grounds? Would you oppose a statue to a former nazi in America? Genuinely interested to hear the answer in the ten to twelve posts it takes to shame you into finally giving one, if you can stick with it.
fuck off, loony.
You are a coward and a liar and cannot address what I said. You can run away from this thread, but the summary of what you ran away from will follow you in every thread from now on.
you are too much of a child to engage. its a waste of time to debate a cry baby.
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Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:21 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:19 pm
Flumper wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:13 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:09 pm You did not address what I said.

I will address what you said, because I am not a cowardly pussy and understand and can support my positions. I never need to evade anything from anyone.

We do not solely look at the good he allegedly did and ignore the bad, because we can recognise the bad things he did as bad. Yet again, statues celebrate people, they do not teach history. If a Nazi brought over to enhance the NASA rocket program (as many were) then went on to be celebrated in Texas for whatever, would you support a statue of them on public grounds? Would you oppose a statue to a former nazi in America? Genuinely interested to hear the answer in the ten to twelve posts it takes to shame you into finally giving one, if you can stick with it.
fuck off, loony.
You are a coward and a liar and cannot address what I said. You can run away from this thread, but the summary of what you ran away from will follow you in every thread from now on.
you are too much of a child to engage. its a waste of time to debate a cry baby.
Uh huh. We'll try bringing you back to what you ran away from every time you try to engage me on any topic for a year or two. Sometimes works with people with your brand of cowardice, 50-50 chance you'll snap eventually and accidentally be honest.
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