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10 yo got the Covid. Threw up and felt shitty. Tested positive. The rest of us negative.
Day 2 she is fine. The 8 yo has to isolate for 5 days as she only has one jab.

Not sure if its vaxs working or this really mild covid going around. We are going back to face diapers. As are many in our area.

Be careful folks.
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Cassandros wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:42 am
Animal wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:23 am
Cassandros wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:00 am
Animal wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:20 pm :lol: And yet they keep expanding its availability and promoting its use. Around the world.
Governments are using the pandemic to their own (authoritative) ends, they have given Big Pharma massive layers of protection against liability if their shots do any damage, and big media has championed the cause while silencing any dissent (and even basic debate). All the while making big-BIG bucks.

So help me out here...

Why wouldn't they continue to push out more and more vaccines?
first of all, they aren't pushing out more vaccines, these are the same old vaccines that we have been using for over a year now. the same ones that there are not massive layers of people lining up to file liability suits because of damage the shots have done. The reason they aren't lining up isn't because they aren't allowed to sue, they aren't lining up because they don't have any damages. But you know that and it makes you feel dumber than we all suspect you to be. you are a classic conspiracy moron that can't admit they were wrong and so you continue to cling to these stupid stories that make absolutely no sense at this point.
First off, you didn't answer the question. If you want to say "promote" instead of "push", that's on you. It changes nothing.

Now, if you want to talk about potential vaccine damage/reporting/compensation, I'm game.

Let's start with something simple: How does one prove a vaccine hurt them?
(Especially if they damage is minor, they have other health issues, or the damage doesn't appear until along years down the road).
are you so dense as to think that there are thousands of people that need the ability to sue vaccine makers because of damages they have suffered? You don't think that would somehow make the news? I probably heard 20 news stories today about WIll smith slapping Chris Rock. Nothing about some poor person that has permanent thingamajig damage from the vaccine.

I hope you realize that the only reason the government gives these vaccine makers protection is to protect them against retards like you that dream up problems and want to prove yourself right about this so badly you would file a frivolous lawsuit.

your entire argument relies on words like "potential" or "maybe". get back to us when you have some real live facts to back up your stupidity.

and a person proves a vaccine hurts them the same way a person proves that some walmart lettuce gave them ecoli or some fish taco gave them food poisoning or a cigarette caused them lung cancer. surely you know that.
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Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:47 am 10 yo got the Covid. Threw up and felt shitty. Tested positive. The rest of us negative.
Day 2 she is fine. The 8 yo has to isolate for 5 days as she only has one jab.

Not sure if its vaxs working or this really mild covid going around. We are going back to face diapers. As are many in our area.

Be careful folks.
You sure they weren't just hungover?
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Animal wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:02 am
Cassandros wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:42 am
Animal wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:23 am
Cassandros wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:00 am
Animal wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:20 pm :lol: And yet they keep expanding its availability and promoting its use. Around the world.
Governments are using the pandemic to their own (authoritative) ends, they have given Big Pharma massive layers of protection against liability if their shots do any damage, and big media has championed the cause while silencing any dissent (and even basic debate). All the while making big-BIG bucks.

So help me out here...

Why wouldn't they continue to push out more and more vaccines?
first of all, they aren't pushing out more vaccines, these are the same old vaccines that we have been using for over a year now. the same ones that there are not massive layers of people lining up to file liability suits because of damage the shots have done. The reason they aren't lining up isn't because they aren't allowed to sue, they aren't lining up because they don't have any damages. But you know that and it makes you feel dumber than we all suspect you to be. you are a classic conspiracy moron that can't admit they were wrong and so you continue to cling to these stupid stories that make absolutely no sense at this point.
First off, you didn't answer the question. If you want to say "promote" instead of "push", that's on you. It changes nothing.

Now, if you want to talk about potential vaccine damage/reporting/compensation, I'm game.

Let's start with something simple: How does one prove a vaccine hurt them?
(Especially if they damage is minor, they have other health issues, or the damage doesn't appear until along years down the road).
are you so dense as to think that there are thousands of people that need the ability to sue vaccine makers because of damages they have suffered? You don't think that would somehow make the news? I probably heard 20 news stories today about WIll smith slapping Chris Rock. Nothing about some poor person that has permanent thingamajig damage from the vaccine.

I hope you realize that the only reason the government gives these vaccine makers protection is to protect them against retards like you that dream up problems and want to prove yourself right about this so badly you would file a frivolous lawsuit.

your entire argument relies on words like "potential" or "maybe". get back to us when you have some real live facts to back up your stupidity.

and a person proves a vaccine hurts them the same way a person proves that some walmart lettuce gave them ecoli or some fish taco gave them food poisoning or a cigarette caused them lung cancer. surely you know that.
A store tests the lettuce for e.coli and it would show up in your system when you are tested at the hospital. And "science" was on big tobacco's side for how many decades before finally relenting and admitting what people finally figured out years prior. So, yeah... I will have to ask you to try again.

Here, I will even help; consider this basic, simple scenario:

I have high blood pressure or take any number of medications that affect my blood pressure. After I got my second shot (hours, not days) I noticed my heart would sometimes beat fast and then 'miss a beat', over and over, for a few minutes at a time; but thankfully it was really rare, like once ever couple weeks. And otherwise I felt completely normal with no apparent issues. Eventually I bring it up to my Dr and he discovers I have arrhythmia.

How do I prove that arrhythmia came from the shot, and not from the pre-existing condition, or what ever medication I was taking?


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Oh. And to answer your question: People likeJim Smith is why there were 20 news stories on Will Smith as opposed to, I dunno, whats been released in the pfizer doc's thus far.
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peterosehaircut wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:17 am
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:47 am 10 yo got the Covid. Threw up and felt shitty. Tested positive. The rest of us negative.
Day 2 she is fine. The 8 yo has to isolate for 5 days as she only has one jab.

Not sure if its vaxs working or this really mild covid going around. We are going back to face diapers. As are many in our area.

Be careful folks.
You sure they weren't just hungover?
No guff. Like I said we tested her twice. Both very positive. Day later she is 100% and jumping around.
Cue the deniers "Ya mean we shut down the country for a cold?"
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Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:47 am 10 yo got the Covid. Threw up and felt shitty. Tested positive. The rest of us negative.
Day 2 she is fine. The 8 yo has to isolate for 5 days as she only has one jab.

Not sure if its vaxs working or this really mild covid going around. We are going back to face diapers. As are many in our area.

Be careful folks.
Glad to hear y'all are doing ok.
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Biker wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:04 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:47 am 10 yo got the Covid. Threw up and felt shitty. Tested positive. The rest of us negative.
Day 2 she is fine. The 8 yo has to isolate for 5 days as she only has one jab.

Not sure if its vaxs working or this really mild covid going around. We are going back to face diapers. As are many in our area.

Be careful folks.
Glad to hear y'all are doing ok.
Thanks Biker. Day 3 and all good. Cheers.
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Cassandros wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:39 am
A store tests the lettuce for e.coli and it would show up in your system when you are tested at the hospital.
you asked "How do you prove something was caused by something else. I mentioned ecoli as an example. then you post that, as if you debunked it? So, did this storie test the lettuce and know it had e.coli before you bought it? Or did they test the lettuce you bought after you bought it? And if you get sick and go to the hospital with e.coli how do they track that back to the lettuce store? The point is that you have to connect these dots, they don't connect themselves and that is my point. That would be how you would prove it. Life isn't just a series of events where your mom holds your hand and everyone protects you.
Here, I will even help; consider this basic, simple scenario:

I have high blood pressure or take any number of medications that affect my blood pressure. After I got my second shot (hours, not days) I noticed my heart would sometimes beat fast and then 'miss a beat', over and over, for a few minutes at a time; but thankfully it was really rare, like once ever couple weeks. And otherwise I felt completely normal with no apparent issues. Eventually I bring it up to my Dr and he discovers I have arrhythmia.

How do I prove that arrhythmia came from the shot, and not from the pre-existing condition, or what ever medication I was taking?
Proving that the arrhythmia came from that shot should be pretty easy for you if it did the damage to your heart within hours. I guess you will just have to also prove why it didn't do the same thing to the other 5 billion people that got it. But it sounds like a slam dunk case to me.
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Animal wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:46 pm
Cassandros wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:39 am Here, I will even help; consider this basic, simple scenario:

I have high blood pressure or take any number of medications that affect my blood pressure. After I got my second shot (hours, not days) I noticed my heart would sometimes beat fast and then 'miss a beat', over and over, for a few minutes at a time; but thankfully it was really rare, like once ever couple weeks. And otherwise I felt completely normal with no apparent issues. Eventually I bring it up to my Dr and he discovers I have arrhythmia.

How do I prove that arrhythmia came from the shot, and not from the pre-existing condition, or what ever medication I was taking?
Proving that the arrhythmia came from that shot should be pretty easy for you if it did the damage to your heart within hours. I guess you will just have to also prove why it didn't do the same thing to the other 5 billion people that got it. But it sounds like a slam dunk case to me.
Not surprising, but you didn't read the question.

The hypothetical person noticed it hours later, but the diagnosis was actually weeks later.

So, again, in this scenario how does one prove the injury came from the shot and not the myriad of other potential culprits.

What test exists that proves mRNA 'vaccine' damage?
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Cassandros wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 11:55 pm
Animal wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:46 pm
Cassandros wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:39 am Here, I will even help; consider this basic, simple scenario:

I have high blood pressure or take any number of medications that affect my blood pressure. After I got my second shot (hours, not days) I noticed my heart would sometimes beat fast and then 'miss a beat', over and over, for a few minutes at a time; but thankfully it was really rare, like once ever couple weeks. And otherwise I felt completely normal with no apparent issues. Eventually I bring it up to my Dr and he discovers I have arrhythmia.

How do I prove that arrhythmia came from the shot, and not from the pre-existing condition, or what ever medication I was taking?
Proving that the arrhythmia came from that shot should be pretty easy for you if it did the damage to your heart within hours. I guess you will just have to also prove why it didn't do the same thing to the other 5 billion people that got it. But it sounds like a slam dunk case to me.
Not surprising, but you didn't read the question.

The hypothetical person noticed it hours later, but the diagnosis was actually weeks later.

So, again, in this scenario how does one prove the injury came from the shot and not the myriad of other potential culprits.

What test exists that proves mRNA 'vaccine' damage?
that is the absolute dumbest hypothetical i have ever read. what test exists that proves that the toothpaste you used this morning doesn't cause ear wax? my god, think of the list of stupid, frivilous bullshit that the nuts in this world (like you) would come up with if they could get a court case every time they thought they were injured from something.

Be honest, stupid. The only reason you are now turning it into a "i can't prove it because its a paradox" scenario is because you now realize you have hitched your dumb ass to the nutball train and you don't know how to get off.
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Animal wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 1:26 pm
Cassandros wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 11:55 pm
Animal wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:46 pm
Cassandros wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:39 am Here, I will even help; consider this basic, simple scenario:

I have high blood pressure or take any number of medications that affect my blood pressure. After I got my second shot (hours, not days) I noticed my heart would sometimes beat fast and then 'miss a beat', over and over, for a few minutes at a time; but thankfully it was really rare, like once ever couple weeks. And otherwise I felt completely normal with no apparent issues. Eventually I bring it up to my Dr and he discovers I have arrhythmia.

How do I prove that arrhythmia came from the shot, and not from the pre-existing condition, or what ever medication I was taking?
Proving that the arrhythmia came from that shot should be pretty easy for you if it did the damage to your heart within hours. I guess you will just have to also prove why it didn't do the same thing to the other 5 billion people that got it. But it sounds like a slam dunk case to me.
Not surprising, but you didn't read the question.

The hypothetical person noticed it hours later, but the diagnosis was actually weeks later.

So, again, in this scenario how does one prove the injury came from the shot and not the myriad of other potential culprits.

What test exists that proves mRNA 'vaccine' damage?
that is the absolute dumbest hypothetical i have ever read. what test exists that proves that the toothpaste you used this morning doesn't cause ear wax? my god, think of the list of stupid, frivilous bullshit that the nuts in this world (like you) would come up with if they could get a court case every time they thought they were injured from something.

Be honest, stupid. The only reason you are now turning it into a "i can't prove it because its a paradox" scenario is because you now realize you have hitched your dumb ass to the nutball train and you don't know how to get off.
Well, we are finally getting somewhere. You are correct! Unlike E. Coli, there is no test for vaccine damages.

The only way a vaccine is ever considered a culprit is when a) you have an obvious adverse reaction within a short while after injection, or b) its proven to be nothing else.

Lets up the ante and use a more realistic scenario.

Days after my second dose I began having episodes of passing out. This had never happened to me before. The first time at the ER they diagnosed me with Orthostatic Hypotension (a blood pressure disorder) and told me to follow up with a cardiologist. I did, and he fitted me with a Holter monitor. While wearing that monitor I suffered a sudden cardiac arrest. That event earned me emergency surgery where an ICD was implanted in my chest and wired into my heart. It will be there for the rest of my life. I received at that time an official diagnosis of Polymorphic Ventricular Tachycardia, which is a deadly form of heart arrhythmia.

With no "test for vaccine damages" existing, how would this person prove the vaccine hurt them?
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good grief. I can only guess you have stumbled upon some web md site full of hypochondriacs. the same people that keep the ER waiting room's full all the time with their phantom diseases.

I have the diagnosis for that guy. He's a fucking nut and I prescribe a dose of rub some fucking dirt on it. That will be $25 now get out of here.
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Animal wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 1:09 am good grief. I can only guess you have stumbled upon some web md site full of hypochondriacs. the same people that keep the ER waiting room's full all the time with their phantom diseases.

I have the diagnosis for that guy. He's a fucking nut and I prescribe a dose of rub some fucking dirt on it. That will be $25 now get out of here.
So, is that the way you convinced yourself the mRNA vaccine is "safe"?
--> Just dismiss the injured as hypochondriacs and nut jobs.

That's pretty low dude.

BUT... Interestingly enough, many doctors do the same thing to their patients, dismissing their injuries as "anxiety" (even after performing ICD implant surgery on a previously healthy heart).
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Biker wrote: Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:21 pm
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Who wrote: Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:24 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:21 pm
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Biker wrote: Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:43 pm
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Trump said it would be over in 2 weeks when the heat of summer came....that was 2 years ago.

My point is that this is changing and evolving faster than what people can predict. I know Trump still says "And Fauchi said not to wear masks!" . Yes he did. When the medical field needed them. That past in a month or so. But Trump keeps bringing it up every rally.

We need to look forward to get out of this thing. And listen to doctors. Not politicians with an agenda.
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Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:01 pm Trump said it would be over in 2 weeks when the heat of summer came....that was 2 years ago.

My point is that this is changing and evolving faster than what people can predict. I know Trump still says "And Fauchi said not to wear masks!" . Yes he did. When the medical field needed them. That past in a month or so. But Trump keeps bringing it up every rally.

We need to look forward to get out of this thing. And listen to doctors. Not politicians with an agenda.
you mean Politicians like Biden that said he had a plan to end it? :roll:

you are absolutely no different than the people you want to hate.
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Animal wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:03 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:01 pm Trump said it would be over in 2 weeks when the heat of summer came....that was 2 years ago.

My point is that this is changing and evolving faster than what people can predict. I know Trump still says "And Fauchi said not to wear masks!" . Yes he did. When the medical field needed them. That past in a month or so. But Trump keeps bringing it up every rally.

We need to look forward to get out of this thing. And listen to doctors. Not politicians with an agenda.
you mean Politicians like Biden that said he had a plan to end it? :roll:

you are absolutely no different than the people you want to hate.
Any plan Biden had got circumvented by Red State Governors. And Trumps plan was to funnel $$$ to his rich buddies, which he accomplished.
I get the "whatabout" shit about both sides, but with all you know about 2020, you cant seriously say that Trump had any kind of plan that would keep anyone safe. He was fine with everyone catching it and a few dying so the economy kept rolling. But he had no plans to help anyone.
You did hear the phone call with that guy and Trump admitted he knew it was serious. Didnt you? I can find it of you like.
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Remember folks, Trump was the only one to get things wrong about the virus.




The difference is that Trump got things wrong when people were still first trying to figure the whole mess out.
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Animal wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:11 pm Remember folks, Trump was the only one to get things wrong about the virus.




The difference is that Trump got things wrong when people were still first trying to figure the whole mess out.
Thanks for making my point. Yes Biden had a plan. Trump never did. But at every turn, the Trumptards went against any sound medical advice to "own the libs". And they did!! And died in droves. They are still dying.

And Trump didn't get it wrong. He had the intel. He knew what had to happen. But that went against his plan to keep you fools working and keeping the stock market rolling.

I'll ask my stock question to any Trump supporter I run in to. Name one thing Trump did that didn't benefit himself first, before it benefitted any one else.
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Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:51 pm
Animal wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:11 pm Remember folks, Trump was the only one to get things wrong about the virus.




The difference is that Trump got things wrong when people were still first trying to figure the whole mess out.
Thanks for making my point. Yes Biden had a plan. Trump never did. But at every turn, the Trumptards went against any sound medical advice to "own the libs". And they did!! And died in droves. They are still dying.

And Trump didn't get it wrong. He had the intel. He knew what had to happen. But that went against his plan to keep you fools working and keeping the stock market rolling.

I'll ask my stock question to any Trump supporter I run in to. Name one thing Trump did that didn't benefit himself first, before it benefitted any one else.
The Biden plan was built off of Trump's plan, you fucking moron
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Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:51 pm
I'll ask my stock question to any Trump supporter I run in to. Name one thing Trump did that didn't benefit himself first, before it benefitted any one else.
he closed the border to illegals coming in from Mexico.
jobless claims hit a 50 year low.
black unemployment hit its lowest point in history.
he had 40 months in a row with more job openings than job hirings. never been done before.
women's unemployement hit its lowest rate in 70 years.
hispanic unemployment hit its lowest rate in history.
The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth.
African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.
He made American energy independent.

he tried to buy 77 million barrels of oil in March 2020 to add to the strategic reserves, but Democrats in congress blocked it calling it a "bailout for the oil industry". The price of oil was below $30 at the time.
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Animal wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:45 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:51 pm
I'll ask my stock question to any Trump supporter I run in to. Name one thing Trump did that didn't benefit himself first, before it benefitted any one else.
he closed the border to illegals coming in from Mexico.
jobless claims hit a 50 year low.
black unemployment hit its lowest point in history.
he had 40 months in a row with more job openings than job hirings. never been done before.
women's unemployement hit its lowest rate in 70 years.
hispanic unemployment hit its lowest rate in history.
The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth.
African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.
He made American energy independent.
He didnt invade another country
He lowered the price of insulin via an EO (which Biden then rescinded)
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