The vaccines have failed (Was: The vaccines are failing)
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Re: The vaccines have failed (Was: The vaccines are failing)
More fear from the tyrant.
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Exposing/discussing the practice of Dr.s gaslighting their patients isn't fearmongering.
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the damage may never be known, Scardey Pants.Cassandros wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 1:07 am Exposing/discussing the practice of Dr.s gaslighting their patients isn't fearmongering.
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Funny, you are no different than the doctors in my post above.Animal wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 2:03 amthe damage may never be known, Scardey Pants.Cassandros wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 1:07 am Exposing/discussing the practice of Dr.s gaslighting their patients isn't fearmongering.
I hope you never have to find out the hard way that adverse effects do happen; because unless they happen right after the shot --> you will be hard pressed to get most doctors to believe you.
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Gee, that sounds real scarey. do you have any more scarey stories for us? Feary McFearson.Cassandros wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 4:05 amFunny, you are no different than the doctors in my post above.Animal wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 2:03 amthe damage may never be known, Scardey Pants.Cassandros wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 1:07 am Exposing/discussing the practice of Dr.s gaslighting their patients isn't fearmongering.
I hope you never have to find out the hard way that adverse effects do happen; because unless they happen right after the shot --> you will be hard pressed to get most doctors to believe you.
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We all know you scare easy.Animal wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:55 pmGee, that sounds real scarey. do you have any more scarey stories for us? Feary McFearson.Cassandros wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 4:05 amFunny, you are no different than the doctors in my post above.Animal wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 2:03 amthe damage may never be known, Scardey Pants.Cassandros wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 1:07 am Exposing/discussing the practice of Dr.s gaslighting their patients isn't fearmongering.
I hope you never have to find out the hard way that adverse effects do happen; because unless they happen right after the shot --> you will be hard pressed to get most doctors to believe you.
But this is somewhat important and it might surprise you to learn this is not new or uncommon behavior from the medical industry.
Doctors dismissed student's pain, weight loss, and vomiting as alcohol-related. She had incurable cancer. cite
A new mom who went to the ER with crushing chest pain and vomiting was dismissed as anxiety. It was a heart attack. cite
Why you downplay the suffering of others, and prop up big pharma, is beyond me...
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you have officially lost your mind. now you are just scared of every missed diagnosis in the history of ever.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 12:22 amWe all know you scare easy.Animal wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 12:55 pmGee, that sounds real scarey. do you have any more scarey stories for us? Feary McFearson.Cassandros wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 4:05 amFunny, you are no different than the doctors in my post above.Animal wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 2:03 amthe damage may never be known, Scardey Pants.Cassandros wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 1:07 am Exposing/discussing the practice of Dr.s gaslighting their patients isn't fearmongering.
I hope you never have to find out the hard way that adverse effects do happen; because unless they happen right after the shot --> you will be hard pressed to get most doctors to believe you.
But this is somewhat important and it might surprise you to learn this is not new or uncommon behavior from the medical industry.
Doctors dismissed student's pain, weight loss, and vomiting as alcohol-related. She had incurable cancer. cite
A new mom who went to the ER with crushing chest pain and vomiting was dismissed as anxiety. It was a heart attack. cite
Why you downplay the suffering of others, and prop up big pharma, is beyond me...
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Like it would be his choice
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They've failed. Not according to scaredy cat of needles Biker, or Q Cassandros, but to the NIH and Moderna themselves.
That said, I've come along enough that I think the technology will eventually be effective against other diseases, like cancer and dna viruses. For COVID, they just arent that effective and may in fact reduce immunity. How long a stunted immunity could last is still up for debate.
That said, I've come along enough that I think the technology will eventually be effective against other diseases, like cancer and dna viruses. For COVID, they just arent that effective and may in fact reduce immunity. How long a stunted immunity could last is still up for debate.
The most powerful evidence yet that mRNA vaccines hurt long-term immunity to Covid after infection
A bombshell study - from the National Institutes of Health and Moderna, no less - should end debate
Alex Berenson
May 19
Unvaccinated people are much more likely to develop broad antibody immunity after Covid infections than people who have received mRNA shots, a new study shows.
The gap remains large whether people had mild, moderate, or severe Covid infections, the study showed - undercutting a crucial argument that vaccine advocates have made to defend the shots.
The research draws on data from Moderna’s 30,000-person clinical trial for its mRNA shots. It may help explain why so many Americans now suffer multiple Covid infections, sometimes within months.
Researchers already knew that many vaccinated people do not gain antibodies to the entire coronavirus after they are infected with Covid.
Unvaccinated people nearly always gain antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein, which covers the virus’s core of RNA, as well as its spike protein, which allows the virus to attack our cells. Vaccinated people often lack those anti-nucleocapsid antibodies and only have spike protein antibodies.
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Vaccine advocates claim the lack of nucleocapsid antibodies may occur because the mRNA shots prime people to fight off the Covid infections more quickly and have lower viral loads. In this view, the narrow immune response is a feature, not a bug - vaccinated people are less seriously infected and so do not need to generate anti-nucleocapsid antibodies.
This study essentially demolishes that theory.
Scientists from the National Institutes of Health and Moderna quietly posted the paper a month ago as a pre-print, but it has received little attention despite its import.
The researchers examined the development of anti-nucleocapsid antibodies in people who had been part of Moderna’s clinical trial and were infected with Covid. As they expected, the scientists found that the vaccinated people were far less likely to develop the anti-nucleocapsid antibodies. Only 40 percent of people who received the shots had antibodies, compared to 93 percent of those who did not.
But they then went a step further. Because the infected people had been in the trial, their viral loads had been precisely measured when they were found to have Covid. So the researchers were able to compare vaccinated and unvaccinated people who had the same amounts of virus in their blood.
Once again, they found that unvaccinated people were far more likely to develop anti-nucleocapsid antibodies than the jabbed. An unvaccinated person with a mild infection had a 71 percent chance of mounting an immune response that included those antibodies. A vaccinated person had about a 15 percent chance.
Only in cases of severe infection and very high viral loads did the difference narrow significantly; in those cases all unvaccinated people and most of the vaccinated had anti-nucleocapsid antibodies.
The chart that should worry the vaccinated: the yellow line shows the odds that an unvaccinated person will develop anti-nucleocapsid antibodies to Sars-Cov-2, stratified by viral load. The blue line shows the same odds for a person who received an mRNA shot.
An unvaccinated person has an almost 60 percent chance of developing antibodies even with an extremely mild infection; a vaccinated person needs almost 100,000 times as much virus in his blood to have the same chance.
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and yet, just 2 days ago they approved the Pfizer vaccine to children age 5. Those crazy watchdogs.
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Alex BerensonBiker wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:07 pm They've failed. Not according to scaredy cat of needles Biker, or Q Cassandros, but to the NIH and Moderna themselves.
That said, I've come along enough that I think the technology will eventually be effective against other diseases, like cancer and dna viruses. For COVID, they just arent that effective and may in fact reduce immunity. How long a stunted immunity could last is still up for debate.
The most powerful evidence yet that mRNA vaccines hurt long-term immunity to Covid after infection
A bombshell study - from the National Institutes of Health and Moderna, no less - should end debate
Alex Berenson
May 19
Unvaccinated people are much more likely to develop broad antibody immunity after Covid infections than people who have received mRNA shots, a new study shows.
The gap remains large whether people had mild, moderate, or severe Covid infections, the study showed - undercutting a crucial argument that vaccine advocates have made to defend the shots.
The research draws on data from Moderna’s 30,000-person clinical trial for its mRNA shots. It may help explain why so many Americans now suffer multiple Covid infections, sometimes within months.
Researchers already knew that many vaccinated people do not gain antibodies to the entire coronavirus after they are infected with Covid.
Unvaccinated people nearly always gain antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein, which covers the virus’s core of RNA, as well as its spike protein, which allows the virus to attack our cells. Vaccinated people often lack those anti-nucleocapsid antibodies and only have spike protein antibodies.
—
Vaccine advocates claim the lack of nucleocapsid antibodies may occur because the mRNA shots prime people to fight off the Covid infections more quickly and have lower viral loads. In this view, the narrow immune response is a feature, not a bug - vaccinated people are less seriously infected and so do not need to generate anti-nucleocapsid antibodies.
This study essentially demolishes that theory.
Scientists from the National Institutes of Health and Moderna quietly posted the paper a month ago as a pre-print, but it has received little attention despite its import.
The researchers examined the development of anti-nucleocapsid antibodies in people who had been part of Moderna’s clinical trial and were infected with Covid. As they expected, the scientists found that the vaccinated people were far less likely to develop the anti-nucleocapsid antibodies. Only 40 percent of people who received the shots had antibodies, compared to 93 percent of those who did not.
But they then went a step further. Because the infected people had been in the trial, their viral loads had been precisely measured when they were found to have Covid. So the researchers were able to compare vaccinated and unvaccinated people who had the same amounts of virus in their blood.
Once again, they found that unvaccinated people were far more likely to develop anti-nucleocapsid antibodies than the jabbed. An unvaccinated person with a mild infection had a 71 percent chance of mounting an immune response that included those antibodies. A vaccinated person had about a 15 percent chance.
Only in cases of severe infection and very high viral loads did the difference narrow significantly; in those cases all unvaccinated people and most of the vaccinated had anti-nucleocapsid antibodies.
The chart that should worry the vaccinated: the yellow line shows the odds that an unvaccinated person will develop anti-nucleocapsid antibodies to Sars-Cov-2, stratified by viral load. The blue line shows the same odds for a person who received an mRNA shot.
An unvaccinated person has an almost 60 percent chance of developing antibodies even with an extremely mild infection; a vaccinated person needs almost 100,000 times as much virus in his blood to have the same chance.
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Reporting what the NIH and Moderna study stated.
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Okay, let's see the study.
Go find us a link. I'm sure the NIH will have one.
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 936v1.fullReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:37 pmOkay, let's see the study.
Go find us a link. I'm sure the NIH will have one.
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Biker wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:40 pmhttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 936v1.fullReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:37 pmOkay, let's see the study.
Go find us a link. I'm sure the NIH will have one.
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Question Does prior mRNA-1273 vaccination influence anti-nucleocapsid antibody seroconversion and/or seroreversion after SARS-CoV-2 infection?
Findings Among participants in the mRNA-1273 vaccine efficacy trial with PCR-confirmed Covid-19, anti-nucleocapsid antibody seroconversion at the time of study unblinding (median 53 days post diagnosis and 149 days post enrollment) occurred in 40% of the mRNA-1273 vaccine recipients vs. 93% of the placebo recipients, a significant difference.
Findings Among participants in the mRNA-1273 vaccine efficacy trial with PCR-confirmed Covid-19, anti-nucleocapsid antibody seroconversion at the time of study unblinding (median 53 days post diagnosis and 149 days post enrollment) occurred in 40% of the mRNA-1273 vaccine recipients vs. 93% of the placebo recipients, a significant difference.
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Meaning the vaccine reduces the liklihood of getting natural antibodies. Thats an awful thing for a 'vaccine' that supposed to prevent infection , illness, and severe illnessAnimal wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:55 pm Question Does prior mRNA-1273 vaccination influence anti-nucleocapsid antibody seroconversion and/or seroreversion after SARS-CoV-2 infection?
Findings Among participants in the mRNA-1273 vaccine efficacy trial with PCR-confirmed Covid-19, anti-nucleocapsid antibody seroconversion at the time of study unblinding (median 53 days post diagnosis and 149 days post enrollment) occurred in 40% of the mRNA-1273 vaccine recipients vs. 93% of the placebo recipients, a significant difference.
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Biker wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:40 pmhttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 936v1.fullReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:37 pmOkay, let's see the study.
Go find us a link. I'm sure the NIH will have one.
This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
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Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:59 pmBiker wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:40 pmhttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 936v1.fullReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:37 pmOkay, let's see the study.
Go find us a link. I'm sure the NIH will have one.This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
Sure thing, Rick. Keep putting lipstick on these pigs. This is approaching Biden level ineptitude
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you understand they are studying people that actually HAVE covid, right?Biker wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:58 pmMeaning the vaccine reduces the liklihood of getting natural antibodies. Thats an awful thing for a 'vaccine' that supposed to prevent infection , illness, and severe illnessAnimal wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:55 pm Question Does prior mRNA-1273 vaccination influence anti-nucleocapsid antibody seroconversion and/or seroreversion after SARS-CoV-2 infection?
Findings Among participants in the mRNA-1273 vaccine efficacy trial with PCR-confirmed Covid-19, anti-nucleocapsid antibody seroconversion at the time of study unblinding (median 53 days post diagnosis and 149 days post enrollment) occurred in 40% of the mRNA-1273 vaccine recipients vs. 93% of the placebo recipients, a significant difference.
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That report isn't bad science.Biker wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 11:00 pmReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:59 pmBiker wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:40 pmhttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 936v1.fullReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:37 pmOkay, let's see the study.
Go find us a link. I'm sure the NIH will have one.This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
Sure thing, Rick. Keep putting lipstick on these pigs. This is approaching Biden level ineptitude
The problem is that Berenson (and you) are interpreting it completely wrong.
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Keep rollin' them up, boys!
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