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There was a stretch where he was the most feared hitter in the league. He could hit for power and average. My personal favorite highlights were watching him hit 2 walk off homers on consecutive nights against Mariano Rivera and the Hated Yankees. You Yankee haters can thank the Tigers for consistently beating the Yankees in the playoffs for awhile there. Some call him the best right handed hitter ever.

It's a shame he had to play for the Tigers. But at least he got a ring before he went there.

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:14 pm It's a shame he had to play for the Tigers. But at least he got a ring before he went there.

It's a real shame those prime Tigers teams never got a ring. 2 embarrassing World Series performances are their legacy. That said, they were top contenders for a long stretch there. Dave Dombrowski giving the keys to the best team in baseball to a rookie manager will never be forgotten or forgiven by Tiger fans. I firmly believe that move cost the team immeasurably.
Cabrera in his prime powering those teams, winning a triple crown, multiple MVP's and batting titles will be remembered fondly.

At least he won it with the Marlins. Dude was a badass in his prime.

Cabrera and Pujols, two of the best, and had similar careers.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 am There was a stretch where he was the most feared hitter in the league. He could hit for power and average. My personal favorite highlights were watching him hit 2 walk off homers on consecutive nights against Mariano Rivera and the Hated Yankees. You Yankee haters can thank the Tigers for consistently beating the Yankees in the playoffs for awhile there. Some call him the best right handed hitter ever.

Really? Over Aaron?

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:21 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 am There was a stretch where he was the most feared hitter in the league. He could hit for power and average. My personal favorite highlights were watching him hit 2 walk off homers on consecutive nights against Mariano Rivera and the Hated Yankees. You Yankee haters can thank the Tigers for consistently beating the Yankees in the playoffs for awhile there. Some call him the best right handed hitter ever.

Really? Over Aaron?

Aaron was incredibly good for a long time. Cabrera bests him in several hitting categories though. Its one of those things thats thrown out there by the pundits. I dont necessarily believe it but I do know that in his prime Cabrera was really fucking good. I would say it is safe to say he would be in the conversation.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:33 pm

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:21 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 am There was a stretch where he was the most feared hitter in the league. He could hit for power and average. My personal favorite highlights were watching him hit 2 walk off homers on consecutive nights against Mariano Rivera and the Hated Yankees. You Yankee haters can thank the Tigers for consistently beating the Yankees in the playoffs for awhile there. Some call him the best right handed hitter ever.

Really? Over Aaron?

Aaron was incredibly good for a long time. Cabrera bests him in several hitting categories though. Its one of those things thats thrown out there by the pundits. I dont necessarily believe it but I do know that in his prime Cabrera was really fucking good. I would say it is safe to say he would be in the conversation.

Is he HOF material?

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:33 pm

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:21 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 am There was a stretch where he was the most feared hitter in the league. He could hit for power and average. My personal favorite highlights were watching him hit 2 walk off homers on consecutive nights against Mariano Rivera and the Hated Yankees. You Yankee haters can thank the Tigers for consistently beating the Yankees in the playoffs for awhile there. Some call him the best right handed hitter ever.

Really? Over Aaron?

Aaron was incredibly good for a long time. Cabrera bests him in several hitting categories though. Its one of those things thats thrown out there by the pundits. I dont necessarily believe it but I do know that in his prime Cabrera was really fucking good. I would say it is safe to say he would be in the conversation.

Is he HOF material?

Cabrera? Thats a joke right?

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:38 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:33 pm

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:21 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 am There was a stretch where he was the most feared hitter in the league. He could hit for power and average. My personal favorite highlights were watching him hit 2 walk off homers on consecutive nights against Mariano Rivera and the Hated Yankees. You Yankee haters can thank the Tigers for consistently beating the Yankees in the playoffs for awhile there. Some call him the best right handed hitter ever.

Really? Over Aaron?

Aaron was incredibly good for a long time. Cabrera bests him in several hitting categories though. Its one of those things thats thrown out there by the pundits. I dont necessarily believe it but I do know that in his prime Cabrera was really fucking good. I would say it is safe to say he would be in the conversation.

Is he HOF material?

Cabrera? Thats a joke right?

Yeah, I don't think so either.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:33 pm

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:21 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 am There was a stretch where he was the most feared hitter in the league. He could hit for power and average. My personal favorite highlights were watching him hit 2 walk off homers on consecutive nights against Mariano Rivera and the Hated Yankees. You Yankee haters can thank the Tigers for consistently beating the Yankees in the playoffs for awhile there. Some call him the best right handed hitter ever.

Really? Over Aaron?

Aaron was incredibly good for a long time. Cabrera bests him in several hitting categories though. Its one of those things thats thrown out there by the pundits. I dont necessarily believe it but I do know that in his prime Cabrera was really fucking good. I would say it is safe to say he would be in the conversation.

Aaron; 3771 hits, 624 doubles, 98 triples, 755 homers, 2297 rbis, 2174 runs, .305 batting average
Cabrera; 2955 hits, 591 doubles, 17 triples, 500 homers, 1785 rbis, 1498 runs, .311 batting average.

Nothing against Cabrera, he was one of the biggest offensive threats of his generation and certainly an all time great. But he can only sniff the greatness that was Hank Aaron. If Aaron had played in New York baseball would have changed it's name to Aaron ball. (disclaimer; I'm not a Braves fan at all Clemente was my guy when I was a little kid though I only caught the very end of his career. )

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:55 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:33 pm

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:21 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 am There was a stretch where he was the most feared hitter in the league. He could hit for power and average. My personal favorite highlights were watching him hit 2 walk off homers on consecutive nights against Mariano Rivera and the Hated Yankees. You Yankee haters can thank the Tigers for consistently beating the Yankees in the playoffs for awhile there. Some call him the best right handed hitter ever.

Really? Over Aaron?

Aaron was incredibly good for a long time. Cabrera bests him in several hitting categories though. Its one of those things thats thrown out there by the pundits. I dont necessarily believe it but I do know that in his prime Cabrera was really fucking good. I would say it is safe to say he would be in the conversation.

Aaron; 3771 hits, 624 doubles, 98 triples, 755 homers, 2297 rbis, 2174 runs, .305 batting average
Cabrera; 2955 hits, 591 doubles, 17 triples, 500 homers, 1785 rbis, 1498 runs, .311 batting average.

Nothing against Cabrera, he was one of the biggest offensive threats of his generation and certainly an all time great. But he can only sniff the greatness that was Hank Aaron. If Aaron had played in New York baseball would have changed it's name to Aaron ball. (disclaimer; I'm not a Braves fan at all Clemente was my guy when I was a little kid though I only caught the very end of his career. )

Those are all impressive but its not like Cabrera doesnt beat Aaron in anything: Batting Average, fewer strike outs and higher OBP and virtually identical OPS. Dont forget Cabrera is still active. I'd say there is a real good chance he passes Aaron in doubles next year. Look its something the local pundits say and its not a hill I'm willing to die on. Aaron was an incredible player and looking at the side by side stats it looks like I'd also give the nod to Hank.

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:44 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:38 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:33 pm

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:21 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 am There was a stretch where he was the most feared hitter in the league. He could hit for power and average. My personal favorite highlights were watching him hit 2 walk off homers on consecutive nights against Mariano Rivera and the Hated Yankees. You Yankee haters can thank the Tigers for consistently beating the Yankees in the playoffs for awhile there. Some call him the best right handed hitter ever.

Really? Over Aaron?

Aaron was incredibly good for a long time. Cabrera bests him in several hitting categories though. Its one of those things thats thrown out there by the pundits. I dont necessarily believe it but I do know that in his prime Cabrera was really fucking good. I would say it is safe to say he would be in the conversation.

Is he HOF material?

Cabrera? Thats a joke right?

Yeah, I don't think so either.

OK, chief. You and I both know he'll be in first ballot.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:38 am

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:44 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:38 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:33 pm

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:21 pm

Really? Over Aaron?

Aaron was incredibly good for a long time. Cabrera bests him in several hitting categories though. Its one of those things thats thrown out there by the pundits. I dont necessarily believe it but I do know that in his prime Cabrera was really fucking good. I would say it is safe to say he would be in the conversation.

Is he HOF material?

Cabrera? Thats a joke right?

Yeah, I don't think so either.

OK, chief. You and I both know he'll be in first ballot.

Just a little sports razzing, dude. There's a fair number of Detroit sports fans around these parts. For those of us who aren't, razzing on the Tigers, Lions, Pistons, and Red Wings is almost considered a hobby.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:37 am

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:55 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:33 pm

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:21 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 am There was a stretch where he was the most feared hitter in the league. He could hit for power and average. My personal favorite highlights were watching him hit 2 walk off homers on consecutive nights against Mariano Rivera and the Hated Yankees. You Yankee haters can thank the Tigers for consistently beating the Yankees in the playoffs for awhile there. Some call him the best right handed hitter ever.

Really? Over Aaron?

Aaron was incredibly good for a long time. Cabrera bests him in several hitting categories though. Its one of those things thats thrown out there by the pundits. I dont necessarily believe it but I do know that in his prime Cabrera was really fucking good. I would say it is safe to say he would be in the conversation.

Aaron; 3771 hits, 624 doubles, 98 triples, 755 homers, 2297 rbis, 2174 runs, .305 batting average
Cabrera; 2955 hits, 591 doubles, 17 triples, 500 homers, 1785 rbis, 1498 runs, .311 batting average.

Nothing against Cabrera, he was one of the biggest offensive threats of his generation and certainly an all time great. But he can only sniff the greatness that was Hank Aaron. If Aaron had played in New York baseball would have changed it's name to Aaron ball. (disclaimer; I'm not a Braves fan at all Clemente was my guy when I was a little kid though I only caught the very end of his career. )

Those are all impressive but its not like Cabrera doesnt beat Aaron in anything: Batting Average, fewer strike outs and higher OBP and virtually identical OPS. Dont forget Cabrera is still active. I'd say there is a real good chance he passes Aaron in doubles next year. Look its something the local pundits say and its not a hill I'm willing to die on. Aaron was an incredible player and looking at the side by side stats it looks like I'd also give the nod to Hank.

Not to nitpick but Cabrera has 600 more strikeouts in almost 3000 less at bats

does pitching get better as time goes on? making it difficult to compare batters from one time frame to another? And how do you factor in ballparks when comparing hitters? if you play half your games at home and some parks are easier to hit, etc.? its like comparing heavyweight boxers from one era to another.

Animal wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:40 pm does pitching get better as time goes on? making it difficult to compare batters from one time frame to another? And how do you factor in ballparks when comparing hitters? if you play half your games at home and some parks are easier to hit, etc.? its like comparing heavyweight boxers from one era to another.

I think it ebbs and flows over time. Pitchers are bigger and stronger now on average, and are throwing much harder than they used to. However, there are more teams, and therefore more pitchers in the league, potentially watering down the collective talent. Batters these days care less about base hits, and swing much more for power, resulting in more strikeouts.

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:55 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:33 pm

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:21 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 am There was a stretch where he was the most feared hitter in the league. He could hit for power and average. My personal favorite highlights were watching him hit 2 walk off homers on consecutive nights against Mariano Rivera and the Hated Yankees. You Yankee haters can thank the Tigers for consistently beating the Yankees in the playoffs for awhile there. Some call him the best right handed hitter ever.

Really? Over Aaron?

Aaron was incredibly good for a long time. Cabrera bests him in several hitting categories though. Its one of those things thats thrown out there by the pundits. I dont necessarily believe it but I do know that in his prime Cabrera was really fucking good. I would say it is safe to say he would be in the conversation.

Aaron; 3771 hits, 624 doubles, 98 triples, 755 homers, 2297 rbis, 2174 runs, .305 batting average
Cabrera; 2955 hits, 591 doubles, 17 triples, 500 homers, 1785 rbis, 1498 runs, .311 batting average.

Nothing against Cabrera, he was one of the biggest offensive threats of his generation and certainly an all time great. But he can only sniff the greatness that was Hank Aaron. If Aaron had played in New York baseball would have changed it's name to Aaron ball. (disclaimer; I'm not a Braves fan at all Clemente was my guy when I was a little kid though I only caught the very end of his career. )

bonds; 2935 hits, 601 doubles, 77 triples, 762 homers, 1996 rbis, 2227 runs, .298 batting average, 2558 BB, 1539 strike outs, obp .444, slg .607

I added a few stats for you

pork wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:59 pm

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:55 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:33 pm

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:21 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:37 am There was a stretch where he was the most feared hitter in the league. He could hit for power and average. My personal favorite highlights were watching him hit 2 walk off homers on consecutive nights against Mariano Rivera and the Hated Yankees. You Yankee haters can thank the Tigers for consistently beating the Yankees in the playoffs for awhile there. Some call him the best right handed hitter ever.

Really? Over Aaron?

Aaron was incredibly good for a long time. Cabrera bests him in several hitting categories though. Its one of those things thats thrown out there by the pundits. I dont necessarily believe it but I do know that in his prime Cabrera was really fucking good. I would say it is safe to say he would be in the conversation.

Aaron; 3771 hits, 624 doubles, 98 triples, 755 homers, 2297 rbis, 2174 runs, .305 batting average
Cabrera; 2955 hits, 591 doubles, 17 triples, 500 homers, 1785 rbis, 1498 runs, .311 batting average.

Nothing against Cabrera, he was one of the biggest offensive threats of his generation and certainly an all time great. But he can only sniff the greatness that was Hank Aaron. If Aaron had played in New York baseball would have changed it's name to Aaron ball. (disclaimer; I'm not a Braves fan at all Clemente was my guy when I was a little kid though I only caught the very end of his career. )

bonds; 2935 hits, 601 doubles, 77 triples, 762 homers, 1996 rbis, 2227 runs, .298 batting average, 2558 BB, 1539 strike outs, obp .444, slg .607

I added a few stats for you

imho...in the not to far future batters will hit 100 dingers a year no problem

pork wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:11 pm imho...in the not to far future batters will hit 100 dingers a year no problem

And strikeout 800 times.

thats generous. i am guessing 1000+

isn't one good stat for great hitters the number of walks they have? don't pitchers pitch around a lot of them? I thought I read one time that Babe Ruth had some ridiculous number of walks.


Rank Player (yrs, age) Bases on Balls Bats
1. Barry Bonds (22) 2558 L
2. Rickey Henderson+ (25) 2190 R
3. Babe Ruth+ (22) 2062 L
4. Ted Williams+ (19) 2021 L
5. Joe Morgan+ (22) 1865 L
6. Carl Yastrzemski+ (23) 1845 L
7. Jim Thome+ (22) 1747 L
8. Mickey Mantle+ (18) 1733 B
9. Mel Ott+ (22) 1708 L
10. Frank Thomas+ (19) 1667 R
11. Eddie Yost (18) 1614 R
12. Darrell Evans (21) 1605 L
13. Stan Musial+ (22) 1599 L
14. Pete Rose (24) 1566 B
15. Harmon Killebrew+ (22) 1559 R
16. Chipper Jones+ (19) 1512 B
17. Lou Gehrig+ (17) 1508 L
18. Mike Schmidt+ (18) 1507 R
19. Eddie Collins+ (25) 1499 L
20. Bobby Abreu (18) 1476 L

pork wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:50 pm thats generous. i am guessing 1000+

Whoa! Imagine a player getting 1000+ at bats in a single season!

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:51 pm isn't one good stat for great hitters the number of walks they have? don't pitchers pitch around a lot of them? I thought I read one time that Babe Ruth had some ridiculous number of walks.

Plate discipline. Some guys got it. Some don't.
Barry Bonds was the King.