Because the telescope will be orbiting the sun, not the Earth.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:08 pm"How do you keep the Earth between the telescope and the Sun?". I don't even know what that means. Freeze dried brain I guess. Why is the Sun even being mentioned?stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:00 pmSooo, how do you keep the Earth between the telescope and the Sun?CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:56 pm I'll say it again. Everybody is focusing on the "orbit". It's because everybody is used to everything like satellites, shuttles, SSI and support missions that being critical. Jw will be at 3× moon distance. Yes it will be orbiting the Earth with everything orbiting the Sun. Irrelevant. It's mission has no bearing on anything to do with it's orbit. Would not be surprised if they tried to figure once it went dead in a few decades, how long it would take for It's orbit to decay and burn up in the Earth's atmosphere they came up with millions of years
And FTR, I'm starting to think you need to get your water tested.
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It's in the same orbit around the SUN as Earth. Thus the same orbital velocity. It is getting further away from the Earth currently till it get to it's LaGrange point. Then orbital mechanics ( that takes more math than i currently rememberr to describe) takes over and helps keep it in a stable orbit around the Sun. Once it gats to L2 it's distance from Earth will be fairly stable.stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:23 pmThe further out you go the longer the orbit. It would fall behind the Earth if it wasn't slightly faster.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:21 pmNot higher rate. same rate at a location the Earth hasn’t reached yet. Research LaGrangevpoints. L2 specifically.stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:07 pmThe Earth orbits the Sun. This thing is going to be ORBITING the Sun at a rate slightly faster than Earth to keep it there.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:00 pmUh, no. There is no slot. There is no orbit to worry about. See my post abovestonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:55 pmTowards the Sun, away from the Sun, it doesn't matter. You just can't run it out and put on the brakes effectively. You haven't got a planet or moon to slingshot around to create drag and slow it down. You have to kind of slide it into the slot gently.
What will happen to that orbit if you just run it out and park it? You have to establish an orbit or otherwise it won't be sitting where it's suppose to for very long because the Earth will orbit without it.
It's not rocket science....
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He's stuck in the 17th century. He hasn't gotten the updated Encyclopedia Galactica.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:13 pmBecause the telescope will be orbiting the sun, not the Earth.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:08 pm"How do you keep the Earth between the telescope and the Sun?". I don't even know what that means. Freeze dried brain I guess. Why is the Sun even being mentioned?stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:00 pmSooo, how do you keep the Earth between the telescope and the Sun?CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:56 pm I'll say it again. Everybody is focusing on the "orbit". It's because everybody is used to everything like satellites, shuttles, SSI and support missions that being critical. Jw will be at 3× moon distance. Yes it will be orbiting the Earth with everything orbiting the Sun. Irrelevant. It's mission has no bearing on anything to do with it's orbit. Would not be surprised if they tried to figure once it went dead in a few decades, how long it would take for It's orbit to decay and burn up in the Earth's atmosphere they came up with millions of years
And FTR, I'm starting to think you need to get your water tested.
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Sorry, Antknot. It looks like we will have to wait to post later when amateur hour is over.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:14 pmIt's in the same orbit around the SUN as Earth. Thus the same orbital velocity. It is getting further away from the Earth currently till it get to it's LaGrange point. Then orbital mechanics ( that takes more math than i currently rememberr to describe) takes over and helps keep it in a stable orbit around the Sun. Once it gats to L2 it's distance from Earth will be fairly stable.stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:23 pmThe further out you go the longer the orbit. It would fall behind the Earth if it wasn't slightly faster.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:21 pmNot higher rate. same rate at a location the Earth hasn’t reached yet. Research LaGrangevpoints. L2 specifically.stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:07 pmThe Earth orbits the Sun. This thing is going to be ORBITING the Sun at a rate slightly faster than Earth to keep it there.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:00 pmUh, no. There is no slot. There is no orbit to worry about. See my post abovestonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:55 pm
Towards the Sun, away from the Sun, it doesn't matter. You just can't run it out and put on the brakes effectively. You haven't got a planet or moon to slingshot around to create drag and slow it down. You have to kind of slide it into the slot gently.
What will happen to that orbit if you just run it out and park it? You have to establish an orbit or otherwise it won't be sitting where it's suppose to for very long because the Earth will orbit without it.
It's not rocket science....
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Have you been told yet today space cadet?CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:27 pmSorry, Antknot. It looks like we will have to wait to post later when amateur hour is over.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:14 pmIt's in the same orbit around the SUN as Earth. Thus the same orbital velocity. It is getting further away from the Earth currently till it get to it's LaGrange point. Then orbital mechanics ( that takes more math than i currently rememberr to describe) takes over and helps keep it in a stable orbit around the Sun. Once it gats to L2 it's distance from Earth will be fairly stable.stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:23 pmThe further out you go the longer the orbit. It would fall behind the Earth if it wasn't slightly faster.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:21 pmNot higher rate. same rate at a location the Earth hasn’t reached yet. Research LaGrangevpoints. L2 specifically.stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:07 pmThe Earth orbits the Sun. This thing is going to be ORBITING the Sun at a rate slightly faster than Earth to keep it there.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:00 pm
Uh, no. There is no slot. There is no orbit to worry about. See my post above
What will happen to that orbit if you just run it out and park it? You have to establish an orbit or otherwise it won't be sitting where it's suppose to for very long because the Earth will orbit without it.
It's not rocket science....
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The graduates of the Canadian Space program are world renowned. Experts everyone. I blame the brownies
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Says the self-proclaimed expert.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:33 pm The graduates of the Canadian Space program are world renowned. Experts everyone. I blame the brownies
I guess we can just lock this thread down now that you have all the answers.
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Calling him a half wit would be extremely generous.
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Sunday funday !!!stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:45 pmCalling him a half wit would be extremely generous.
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He's like a glow stick.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:49 pmSunday funday !!!stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:45 pmCalling him a half wit would be extremely generous.
You want to snap him and shake him until the light comes on.
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look, you fucking moron. James Webb will not be orbiting the earth (llke the moon does). It will be orbiting the sun (like mars does).
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let me frame this like a total dumbass so that i can understand it.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:14 pm It's in the same orbit around the SUN as Earth. Thus the same orbital velocity. It is getting further away from the Earth currently till it get to it's LaGrange point. Then orbital mechanics ( that takes more math than i currently rememberr to describe) takes over and helps keep it in a stable orbit around the Sun. Once it gats to L2 it's distance from Earth will be fairly stable.
If Pluto could orbit the earth in one year (the same as earth), then would it be orbiting at the same "orbital velocity" as earth?
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We? Don't include me in your illusion.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:27 pmSorry, Antknot. It looks like we will have to wait to post later when amateur hour is over.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:14 pmIt's in the same orbit around the SUN as Earth. Thus the same orbital velocity. It is getting further away from the Earth currently till it get to it's LaGrange point. Then orbital mechanics ( that takes more math than i currently rememberr to describe) takes over and helps keep it in a stable orbit around the Sun. Once it gats to L2 it's distance from Earth will be fairly stable.stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:23 pmThe further out you go the longer the orbit. It would fall behind the Earth if it wasn't slightly faster.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:21 pmNot higher rate. same rate at a location the Earth hasn’t reached yet. Research LaGrangevpoints. L2 specifically.stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:07 pmThe Earth orbits the Sun. This thing is going to be ORBITING the Sun at a rate slightly faster than Earth to keep it there.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:00 pm
Uh, no. There is no slot. There is no orbit to worry about. See my post above
What will happen to that orbit if you just run it out and park it? You have to establish an orbit or otherwise it won't be sitting where it's suppose to for very long because the Earth will orbit without it.
It's not rocket science....
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FTFYAntknot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:00 amWe? Don't include me in your delusion.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:27 pmSorry, Antknot. It looks like we will have to wait to post later when amateur hour is over.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:14 pmIt's in the same orbit around the SUN as Earth. Thus the same orbital velocity. It is getting further away from the Earth currently till it get to it's LaGrange point. Then orbital mechanics ( that takes more math than i currently rememberr to describe) takes over and helps keep it in a stable orbit around the Sun. Once it gats to L2 it's distance from Earth will be fairly stable.stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:23 pmThe further out you go the longer the orbit. It would fall behind the Earth if it wasn't slightly faster.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:21 pmNot higher rate. same rate at a location the Earth hasn’t reached yet. Research LaGrangevpoints. L2 specifically.stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:07 pm
The Earth orbits the Sun. This thing is going to be ORBITING the Sun at a rate slightly faster than Earth to keep it there.
What will happen to that orbit if you just run it out and park it? You have to establish an orbit or otherwise it won't be sitting where it's suppose to for very long because the Earth will orbit without it.
It's not rocket science....
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stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:55 pmHe's like a glow stick.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:49 pmSunday funday !!!stonedmegman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:45 pmCalling him a half wit would be extremely generous.
You want to snap him and shake him until the light comes on.
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I'm guessing you meant "If Pluto could orbit the Sun in one year (the same as Earth)"Animal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:59 pmlet me frame this like a total dumbass so that i can understand it.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:14 pm It's in the same orbit around the SUN as Earth. Thus the same orbital velocity. It is getting further away from the Earth currently till it get to it's LaGrange point. Then orbital mechanics ( that takes more math than i currently rememberr to describe) takes over and helps keep it in a stable orbit around the Sun. Once it gats to L2 it's distance from Earth will be fairly stable.
If Pluto could orbit the earth in one year (the same as earth), then would it be orbiting at the same "orbital velocity" as earth?
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yes. i misstyped.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:59 amI'm guessing you meant "If Pluto could orbit the Sun in one year (the same as Earth)"Animal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:59 pmlet me frame this like a total dumbass so that i can understand it.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:14 pm It's in the same orbit around the SUN as Earth. Thus the same orbital velocity. It is getting further away from the Earth currently till it get to it's LaGrange point. Then orbital mechanics ( that takes more math than i currently rememberr to describe) takes over and helps keep it in a stable orbit around the Sun. Once it gats to L2 it's distance from Earth will be fairly stable.
If Pluto could orbit the earth in one year (the same as earth), then would it be orbiting at the same "orbital velocity" as earth?
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I had to Google "orbit velocity". Sounds pretty complicated because the mass of the planet is involved. If you are asking if Pluto (even at that distance) could orbit the Sun, same as the Earth- in 1 solar year, the answer would be no. When the Sun formed and started the solar system accrediation (If that is the right word)- rotating allowing the planets to form it was rotating at a set speed. So you didn't have some outer planet flying along at some massive speed. I hope that makes sense because I seem to be having a hard time doing that tonight.Animal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:01 amyes. i misstyped.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:59 amI'm guessing you meant "If Pluto could orbit the Sun in one year (the same as Earth)"Animal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:59 pmlet me frame this like a total dumbass so that i can understand it.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:14 pm It's in the same orbit around the SUN as Earth. Thus the same orbital velocity. It is getting further away from the Earth currently till it get to it's LaGrange point. Then orbital mechanics ( that takes more math than i currently rememberr to describe) takes over and helps keep it in a stable orbit around the Sun. Once it gats to L2 it's distance from Earth will be fairly stable.
If Pluto could orbit the earth in one year (the same as earth), then would it be orbiting at the same "orbital velocity" as earth?
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.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:03 amI had to Google "orbit velocity". Sounds pretty complicated because the mass of the planet is involved. If you are asking if Pluto (even at that distance) could orbit the Sun, same as the Earth- in 1 solar year, the answer would be no. When the Sun formed and started the solar system accrediation (If that is the right word)- rotating allowing the planets to form it was rotating at a set speed. So you didn't have some outer planet flying along at some massive speed. I hope that makes sense because I seem to be having a hard time doing that.Animal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:01 amyes. i misstyped.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:59 amI'm guessing you meant "If Pluto could orbit the Sun in one year (the same as Earth)"Animal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:59 pmlet me frame this like a total dumbass so that i can understand it.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:14 pm It's in the same orbit around the SUN as Earth. Thus the same orbital velocity. It is getting further away from the Earth currently till it get to it's LaGrange point. Then orbital mechanics ( that takes more math than i currently rememberr to describe) takes over and helps keep it in a stable orbit around the Sun. Once it gats to L2 it's distance from Earth will be fairly stable.
If Pluto could orbit the earth in one year (the same as earth), then would it be orbiting at the same "orbital velocity" as earth?
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i wasn't asking if it was possible, i was asking if that still fit his definition of orbit velocity.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:03 amI had to Google "orbit velocity". Sounds pretty complicated because the mass of the planet is involved. If you are asking if Pluto (even at that distance) could orbit the Sun, same as the Earth- in 1 solar year, the answer would be no. When the Sun formed and started the solar system accrediation (If that is the right word)- rotating allowing the planets to form it was rotating at a set speed. So you didn't have some outer planet flying along at some massive speed. I hope that makes sense because I seem to be having a hard time doing that tonight.Animal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:01 amyes. i misstyped.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:59 amI'm guessing you meant "If Pluto could orbit the Sun in one year (the same as Earth)"Animal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:59 pmlet me frame this like a total dumbass so that i can understand it.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:14 pm It's in the same orbit around the SUN as Earth. Thus the same orbital velocity. It is getting further away from the Earth currently till it get to it's LaGrange point. Then orbital mechanics ( that takes more math than i currently rememberr to describe) takes over and helps keep it in a stable orbit around the Sun. Once it gats to L2 it's distance from Earth will be fairly stable.
If Pluto could orbit the earth in one year (the same as earth), then would it be orbiting at the same "orbital velocity" as earth?
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In very general terms the distance the Earth orbits the Sun determines its speed. To move further away you increase speed, to move closer you reduce speed. Think of the change in the distance traveled (circumference of a circle).Animal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:54 pmi wasn't asking if it was possible, i was asking if that still fit his definition of orbit velocity.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:03 amI had to Google "orbit velocity". Sounds pretty complicated because the mass of the planet is involved. If you are asking if Pluto (even at that distance) could orbit the Sun, same as the Earth- in 1 solar year, the answer would be no. When the Sun formed and started the solar system accrediation (If that is the right word)- rotating allowing the planets to form it was rotating at a set speed. So you didn't have some outer planet flying along at some massive speed. I hope that makes sense because I seem to be having a hard time doing that tonight.Animal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:01 amyes. i misstyped.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:59 amI'm guessing you meant "If Pluto could orbit the Sun in one year (the same as Earth)"Animal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:59 pmlet me frame this like a total dumbass so that i can understand it.Antknot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:14 pm It's in the same orbit around the SUN as Earth. Thus the same orbital velocity. It is getting further away from the Earth currently till it get to it's LaGrange point. Then orbital mechanics ( that takes more math than i currently rememberr to describe) takes over and helps keep it in a stable orbit around the Sun. Once it gats to L2 it's distance from Earth will be fairly stable.
If Pluto could orbit the earth in one year (the same as earth), then would it be orbiting at the same "orbital velocity" as earth?