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Idea for new gun law: Let's not make more gun laws. What part of "shall not infringe" do you freedom-hating anti-American liberal traitors not understand?

We get it. You crybaby liberal cowards think guns are scary. Here's an idea: if you don't like guns, don't have a gun. If you hate freedom, don't exercise your freedom.
But don't tell everyone else not to enjoy theirs.
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Let’s start by repealing the Second Amendment. That will eliminate the I have a right to own a weapon of mass destruction argument.
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Who wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:24 am Let’s start by repealing the Second Amendment. That will eliminate the I have a right to own a weapon of mass destruction argument.
This shows your lack of knowledge. The second amendment doesn’t grant the right to bear arms. The second amendment prevents the government from trying to take our arms. The right to bear arms is inate
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That part of the pool is a little deep for Who, dontcha think?
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Who wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:24 am Let’s start by repealing the Second Amendment. That will eliminate the I have a right to own a weapon of mass destruction argument.
Let's not. Why do you hate freedom, commie?
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Charliesheen wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:09 pm That part of the pool is a little deep for Who, dontcha think?
He's not an intelligent man. And he hates freedom.
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So, one common thread appears to be that most of these "shooters" buy their AR-15 within a few days or so of the event. Since my proposed gun law ideas got no where with the crowd, how about we at least agree that it appears that people who already own AR-15 guns aren't the problem or they would have already shot up some place.

So, its the ones that go buy a gun because they are pissed off about something. And we can't figure out who those people are and we can't create some question on a form that isolates them from the normal people. So, how about if we simply made a law that for any NEW purchase of an AR-15 starting now, you have to wait 6 months in order to take possession. See if that cools off the nutters and changes their mind. It still makes it legal to buy the gun, its just inconvenient because of the nutters that shoot places up. If you have some need for an AR-15, its generally not some emergency need, so waiting 6 months could be worked out.

At least then we have done something. It seems like a fair compromise.
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Animal wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:14 pm So, one common thread appears to be that most of these "shooters" buy their AR-15 within a few days or so of the event. Since my proposed gun law ideas got no where with the crowd, how about we at least agree that it appears that people who already own AR-15 guns aren't the problem or they would have already shot up some place.

So, its the ones that go buy a gun because they are pissed off about something. And we can't figure out who those people are and we can't create some question on a form that isolates them from the normal people. So, how about if we simply made a law that for any NEW purchase of an AR-15 starting now, you have to wait 6 months in order to take possession. See if that cools off the nutters and changes their mind. It still makes it legal to buy the gun, its just inconvenient because of the nutters that shoot places up. If you have some need for an AR-15, its generally not some emergency need, so waiting 6 months could be worked out.

At least then we have done something. It seems like a fair compromise.
Now your talkin'.
But make it for ALL assault rifles.
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Reservoir Dog wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:19 pm
Animal wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:14 pm So, one common thread appears to be that most of these "shooters" buy their AR-15 within a few days or so of the event. Since my proposed gun law ideas got no where with the crowd, how about we at least agree that it appears that people who already own AR-15 guns aren't the problem or they would have already shot up some place.

So, its the ones that go buy a gun because they are pissed off about something. And we can't figure out who those people are and we can't create some question on a form that isolates them from the normal people. So, how about if we simply made a law that for any NEW purchase of an AR-15 starting now, you have to wait 6 months in order to take possession. See if that cools off the nutters and changes their mind. It still makes it legal to buy the gun, its just inconvenient because of the nutters that shoot places up. If you have some need for an AR-15, its generally not some emergency need, so waiting 6 months could be worked out.

At least then we have done something. It seems like a fair compromise.
Now your talkin'.
But make it for ALL assault rifles.
That's fine. it can't get too complicated or loop holes and definitions start getting in the way of getting something done.
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Animal wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:28 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:19 pm
Animal wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:14 pm So, one common thread appears to be that most of these "shooters" buy their AR-15 within a few days or so of the event. Since my proposed gun law ideas got no where with the crowd, how about we at least agree that it appears that people who already own AR-15 guns aren't the problem or they would have already shot up some place.

So, its the ones that go buy a gun because they are pissed off about something. And we can't figure out who those people are and we can't create some question on a form that isolates them from the normal people. So, how about if we simply made a law that for any NEW purchase of an AR-15 starting now, you have to wait 6 months in order to take possession. See if that cools off the nutters and changes their mind. It still makes it legal to buy the gun, its just inconvenient because of the nutters that shoot places up. If you have some need for an AR-15, its generally not some emergency need, so waiting 6 months could be worked out.

At least then we have done something. It seems like a fair compromise.
Now your talkin'.
But make it for ALL assault rifles.
That's fine. it can't get too complicated or loop holes and definitions start getting in the way of getting something done.
Nothing can be done about the existing guns regardless of who owns them. Some dude can have an AR-15 in his closet and his son can go in there and get it without anyone knowing.
But you're right about the new guns. Substantial waiting periods would be a great way to start.
God knows you Americans need to do something... now!
People are getting slaughtered and nothing is happening.
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Reservoir Dog wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:37 pm
Animal wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:28 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:19 pm
Animal wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:14 pm So, one common thread appears to be that most of these "shooters" buy their AR-15 within a few days or so of the event. Since my proposed gun law ideas got no where with the crowd, how about we at least agree that it appears that people who already own AR-15 guns aren't the problem or they would have already shot up some place.

So, its the ones that go buy a gun because they are pissed off about something. And we can't figure out who those people are and we can't create some question on a form that isolates them from the normal people. So, how about if we simply made a law that for any NEW purchase of an AR-15 starting now, you have to wait 6 months in order to take possession. See if that cools off the nutters and changes their mind. It still makes it legal to buy the gun, its just inconvenient because of the nutters that shoot places up. If you have some need for an AR-15, its generally not some emergency need, so waiting 6 months could be worked out.

At least then we have done something. It seems like a fair compromise.
Now your talkin'.
But make it for ALL assault rifles.
That's fine. it can't get too complicated or loop holes and definitions start getting in the way of getting something done.
Nothing can be done about the existing guns regardless of who owns them. Some dude can have an AR-15 in his closet and his son can go in there and get it without anyone knowing.
But you're right about the new guns. Substantial waiting periods would be a great way to start.
God knows you Americans need to do something... now!
People are getting slaughtered and nothing is happening.
and AR laws are complicated, because you can literally buy the pieces and put one together in no time. But that isn't the issue here either. These shooters aren't sophisticated in guns enough to build a gun. or 3D print a gun. They just walk into a gun store and point at one and buy it.
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Animal wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:28 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:19 pm
Animal wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:14 pm So, one common thread appears to be that most of these "shooters" buy their AR-15 within a few days or so of the event. Since my proposed gun law ideas got no where with the crowd, how about we at least agree that it appears that people who already own AR-15 guns aren't the problem or they would have already shot up some place.

So, its the ones that go buy a gun because they are pissed off about something. And we can't figure out who those people are and we can't create some question on a form that isolates them from the normal people. So, how about if we simply made a law that for any NEW purchase of an AR-15 starting now, you have to wait 6 months in order to take possession. See if that cools off the nutters and changes their mind. It still makes it legal to buy the gun, its just inconvenient because of the nutters that shoot places up. If you have some need for an AR-15, its generally not some emergency need, so waiting 6 months could be worked out.

At least then we have done something. It seems like a fair compromise.
Now your talkin'.
But make it for ALL assault rifles.
That's fine. it can't get too complicated or loop holes and definitions start getting in the way of getting something done.
Might be better to do this for all gun purchases. As per your comment, it'd remove all complications about definitions.

I actually don't like the stuff about "killy looking guns." It's kinda stupid and leads to mockery of any regulations.
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This thread makes me want to go buy a bunch of stripped lower receivers just in case.
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FSchmertz wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:45 pm
Animal wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:28 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:19 pm
Animal wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:14 pm So, one common thread appears to be that most of these "shooters" buy their AR-15 within a few days or so of the event. Since my proposed gun law ideas got no where with the crowd, how about we at least agree that it appears that people who already own AR-15 guns aren't the problem or they would have already shot up some place.

So, its the ones that go buy a gun because they are pissed off about something. And we can't figure out who those people are and we can't create some question on a form that isolates them from the normal people. So, how about if we simply made a law that for any NEW purchase of an AR-15 starting now, you have to wait 6 months in order to take possession. See if that cools off the nutters and changes their mind. It still makes it legal to buy the gun, its just inconvenient because of the nutters that shoot places up. If you have some need for an AR-15, its generally not some emergency need, so waiting 6 months could be worked out.

At least then we have done something. It seems like a fair compromise.
Now your talkin'.
But make it for ALL assault rifles.
That's fine. it can't get too complicated or loop holes and definitions start getting in the way of getting something done.
Might be better to do this for all gun purchases. As per your comment, it'd remove all complications about definitions.

I actually don't like the stuff about "killy looking guns." It's kinda stupid and leads to mockery of any regulations.
you can't let the mockery guide your decisions on this kind of stuff. you have to base it on facts. and the fact is that almost all of these guys use AR-15 guns. That's simply a fact. People can turn that into a meme cartoon about killy looking guns if they want, but those are the guns people are taking to these shootings. There's no reason to go after ALL guns and open up that HUGE argument. Keep it simple and go after the guns that seem to be at the root of most of the problem and start there.

I got an ad yesterday from Cheaper than Dirt for some 22 LR guns that we on sale. Here's one of them:

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that's a 22 LR. Semi automatic, holds 25 rounds. No one would use that to try to kill people. But its definitely a killy looking gun. Which is the only point of it.
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If they can't get an AR-15 they'll just grab an AR-18, or an AK-47, or an AAC, or an AAI, or a Barrett....
They'll use whatever they can get their hands on quickly. You gotta go after all of them.
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Reservoir Dog wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:43 am If they can't get an AR-15 they'll just grab an AR-18, or an AK-47, or an AAC, or an AAI, or a Barrett....
They'll use whatever they can get their hands on quickly. You gotta go after all of them.
For the "older" crowd, can we remember times 25+ years ago where gun access/violence was so front and center in the public consciousness?

My first recollection was Columbine.
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saltydog wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:54 am
Reservoir Dog wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:43 am If they can't get an AR-15 they'll just grab an AR-18, or an AK-47, or an AAC, or an AAI, or a Barrett....
They'll use whatever they can get their hands on quickly. You gotta go after all of them.
For the "older" crowd, can we remember times 25+ years ago where gun access/violence was so front and center in the public consciousness?

My first recollection was Columbine.
Well, you had an assault weapons ban from 1994 to 2004.
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You want some common sense gun laws?

All handgun sales must take place through a licensed dealer, this includes family. Anyone caught with a handgun that has not gone through a licensed dealer (ffl) faces a minimum of 10 years federal prison. This has to be grandfathered in.
Magazines of over 10 rounds for a semi automatic rifle have a mandatory 30 day wait period.

This would not infringe on anyone's right to own.
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On2muchbourbon wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:16 am You want some common sense gun laws?

All handgun sales must take place through a licensed dealer, this includes family. Anyone caught with a handgun that has not gone through a licensed dealer (ffl) faces a minimum of 10 years federal prison. This has to be grandfathered in.
Magazines of over 10 rounds for a semi automatic rifle have a mandatory 30 day wait period.

This would not infringe on anyone's right to own.
but what would it stop? Honestly?

I mean, these gun laws aren't going to stop the gang banger type crimes. So, we are talking about laws to stop the run of the mill people. They typically buy from gun stores or licensed dealers of some sort. If they take it from a family member, then the only way you would catch them with it would be after whatever crime they used it for.

and, i doubt most mass shooters would be much affected by the magazine limit. a magazine is a $10 item. you could probably come pretty close to the same damage with a bunch of 10 magazines as you could with a bunch of 20 round magazines. While, I wouldn't have a problem with a law like that, i don't think it would make much impact.
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Animal wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:28 am
On2muchbourbon wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:16 am You want some common sense gun laws?

All handgun sales must take place through a licensed dealer, this includes family. Anyone caught with a handgun that has not gone through a licensed dealer (ffl) faces a minimum of 10 years federal prison. This has to be grandfathered in.
Magazines of over 10 rounds for a semi automatic rifle have a mandatory 30 day wait period.

This would not infringe on anyone's right to own.
but what would it stop? Honestly?

I mean, these gun laws aren't going to stop the gang banger type crimes. So, we are talking about laws to stop the run of the mill people. They typically buy from gun stores or licensed dealers of some sort. If they take it from a family member, then the only way you would catch them with it would be after whatever crime they used it for.

and, i doubt most mass shooters would be much affected by the magazine limit. a magazine is a $10 item. you could probably come pretty close to the same damage with a bunch of 10 magazines as you could with a bunch of 20 round magazines. While, I wouldn't have a problem with a law like that, i don't think it would make much impact.
Actually, it would help prevent a lot of gang related crime. Initially, maybe not, but as gang shooters faced 10 years minimum federal charges, they would be removed from the streets. This has long term effects.
A wait on large magazine sizes would quickly point out that it's the only appeal for killy guns. You'd see a decline in "Assault weapon" mass shootings. You may not see a decline in mass shootings, because that's a social issue, but it would make AR weapons less used, which is the political talking point.
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that's the problem with gun laws. everyone has such a vastly different opinion on what the problems are and what solutions might work. I don't think gun laws will slow down gang violence any more than drug laws slowed down drug use and sales within that group.

but i also know that, if anything is going to get done, everyone has to compromise on what they think is going to work. For example, I don't think magazines larger than 10 rounds would have an effect, however, i would be more than willing to concede that point and limit sales of those magazines with a long waiting period. I mean, why not? I would love to hear someone's argument (aside from muh 2nd amindmunt) on why they are in urgent need of a 20 or 30 round magazine.
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