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President Trump's approach is grounded in three key ways he
views the world: the United States is overextended abroad, the
global economy disadvantages the United States, and
authoritarian leaders are sympathetic friends.\19\ He has been
highly critical of U.S. military alliances, believing the
United States is overextended and ``subsidiz[ing] the armies of
other countries.''\20\ He has also argued that the United
States is disadvantaged by the structure of the global economy.
Trump has generally opposed trade agreements and supported
using tariffs to protect U.S. industry and punish economic
malfeasance by other countries.\21\
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The President's sudden announcement in December 2018 that
the U.S. would withdraw troops from Syria demonstrates the
consequences of governing by chaos. President Trump effectively
upended U.S. official policy in one phone call, and then
announced it on Twitter in a series of convoluted tweets.\51\
The move was made over the recommendations of his advisors, and
was a reversal of the policy that administration officials had
just reiterated to U.S. allies.\52\ As a result, U.S. troops
were left vulnerable to ``unreliable'' militias as they sought
to withdraw.\53\
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The result of these policies is that the United States has
become a bystander, as dangerous threats to the American people
have emerged overseas and struck the United States. The most
pressing example of this is COVID-19, the worst global pandemic
the world has faced in over a century. Despite the stark,
urgent wording of the Trump administration's 2018 National
Biodefense Strategy, pandemic preparation and coordination were
a low priority for the Trump administration.\68\ Previous
administrations understood that international efforts to
monitor and combat health threats abroad are a central element
in protecting the United States from pandemics. The Trump
administration, in contrast, sought to cut funding for the key
U.S. and international organizations involved in monitoring and
preparing for an infectious disease outbreak.
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B-Tender wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:43 pm Hey Charlie, what do you think about how we handled the Kurds in Turkey?
That’s a good question. The Kurds have been useful to US interests in the past. I’d have to read a lot more to understand what went down. Could it be that once the Palestinians were no longer seen as a roadblock to the Middle East “peace process”, the music stopped for the Kurds?
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Paul Krugman who I think is a moran , penned this titled 8 times the US Screwed the Kurds, or some such. I don’t see much to dispute with it,

Then the U.S. signed off on agreements between the Shah and Saddam that included severing aid to the Kurds. The Iraqi military moved north and slaughtered thousands, as the U.S. ignored heart-rending pleas from our erstwhile Kurdish allies. When questioned, a blasé Kissinger explained that “covert action should not be confused with missionary work.”
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During the Clinton administration in the 1990s, these Kurds, the Iraqi Kurds, were the good Kurds. Because they were persecuted by Iraq, our enemy, they were worthy of U.S. sympathy. But the Kurds a few miles north in Turkey started getting uppity too, and since they were annoying our ally, they were the bad Kurds. The U.S. sent Turkey huge amounts of weaponry, which it used — with U.S. knowledge — to murder tens of thousands of Kurds and destroy thousands of villages.
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(Daniel) Ellsberg, of course, was correct. The post-war independence of Iraqi Kurds made Turkey extremely nervous. In 2007, the U.S. allowed Turkey to carry out a heavy bombing campaign against Iraqi Kurds inside Iraq. By this point, Kristol’s magazine the Weekly Standard was declaring that this betrayal was exactly what America should be doing.

With Trump’s thumbs-up for another slaughter of the Kurds, America is now on betrayal No. 8. Whatever you want to say about U.S. actions, no one can deny that we’re consistent.

The Kurds have an old, famous adage that they “have no friends but the mountains.” Now more than ever, it’s hard to argue that that’s wrong.
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/07/kur ... -betrayal/
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Charliesheen wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:05 pm
(Daniel) Ellsberg, of course, was correct. The post-war independence of Iraqi Kurds made Turkey extremely nervous. In 2007, the U.S. allowed Turkey to carry out a heavy bombing campaign against Iraqi Kurds inside Iraq. By this point, Kristol’s magazine the Weekly Standard was declaring that this betrayal was exactly what America should be doing.

With Trump’s thumbs-up for another slaughter of the Kurds, America is now on betrayal No. 8. Whatever you want to say about U.S. actions, no one can deny that we’re consistent.

The Kurds have an old, famous adage that they “have no friends but the mountains.” Now more than ever, it’s hard to argue that that’s wrong.
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/07/kur ... -betrayal/
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I believe it’s another argument for congress doing its job and forming the nation’s foreign policy.

Not the diplomatic corps civil service lifer cunts. Clear heads like Rand Paul and (insert democrat name so I can appear non-partisan) who keep loaded gun egotists like Trump in check where they belong.
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I'm registered in Florida as an independent voter, as I'm a member of the Florida Green Party. No way to register my party, only Republican and Democrat is recognized. So I get calls from both the big parties asking for my support. I stop their spiel, state my GP membership, and ask them not to call me again. And they still call again later. As most Republicans in this state are members of "The Cult™", it's very unlikely I'll ever cast a vote their way. But I'm not so pleased with the Democrats, either. So it's choke down a puke or hold my nose tightly. :|
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QillerDaemon wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:24 pm I'm registered in Florida as an independent voter, as I'm a member of the Florida Green Party. No way to register my party, only Republican and Democrat is recognized. So I get calls from both the big parties asking for my support. I stop their spiel, state my GP membership, and ask them not to call me again. And they still call again later. As most Republicans in this state are members of "The Cult™", it's very unlikely I'll ever cast a vote their way. But I'm not so pleased with the Democrats, either. So it's choke down a puke or hold my nose tightly. :|
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B-Tender wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:08 pm
Charliesheen wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:05 pm
(Daniel) Ellsberg, of course, was correct. The post-war independence of Iraqi Kurds made Turkey extremely nervous. In 2007, the U.S. allowed Turkey to carry out a heavy bombing campaign against Iraqi Kurds inside Iraq. By this point, Kristol’s magazine the Weekly Standard was declaring that this betrayal was exactly what America should be doing.

With Trump’s thumbs-up for another slaughter of the Kurds, America is now on betrayal No. 8. Whatever you want to say about U.S. actions, no one can deny that we’re consistent.

The Kurds have an old, famous adage that they “have no friends but the mountains.” Now more than ever, it’s hard to argue that that’s wrong.
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/07/kur ... -betrayal/
That was good stuff, provided context.
The Kurds are the most current example of "one man's freedom fighter, is another man's terrorist". They have to accept that they are going to be used as proxies as long as they are around. No way a Greater Kurdistan happens.
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QillerDaemon wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:24 pm I'm registered in Florida as an independent voter, as I'm a member of the Florida Green Party. No way to register my party, only Republican and Democrat is recognized. So I get calls from both the big parties asking for my support. I stop their spiel, state my GP membership, and ask them not to call me again. And they still call again later. As most Republicans in this state are members of "The Cult™", it's very unlikely I'll ever cast a vote their way. But I'm not so pleased with the Democrats, either. So it's choke down a puke or hold my nose tightly. :|
Ask them to remove you from all calling lists. Technically, the person who called you didn't call you again if someone else did later.
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Charliesheen wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:32 pm
B-Tender wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:41 am
Charliesheen wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:47 am
B-Tender wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:03 am
Biker wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:15 pm
B-Tender wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:34 pm So the last few Presidents have been so bad that people keep switching which side they lean to. I can relate.
In your lifetime, has there been anyone worse than Biden?
Simple question, more complex answer:

Biden has been the biggest vacuum of ability.
GHB was the worst decision I've experienced in getting us into perpetual war.
Obama probably had one of the biggest mandates, and did nothing with it.
DJT ruined alliances in Europe.
Please elaborate on the ruined alliances thing.
Well I should have said internationally, not just Europe. Here's a fun read if you have the time.

https://www.govinfo. ...
Ima plowing through it. Thanks for posting. Gotta say, this paragraph makes me want to label this a hit-piece. But in the interest of science, I’m moving in.
Past U.S. presidents sought to showcase the United States
as a model for what a society can achieve when it is based upon
democracy and freedom. President Trump, on the other hand, has
consistently shown disdain for pluralism, human rights, civil
society, the press, and rule of law. His domestic policies,
including family separation, reducing the number of refugees
into the U.S., attacking the rule of law and the freedom of the
press, and failing to stand up for racial equality, have led
U.S. allies to question the values of the United States.
Authoritarian leaders have seized upon the abandonment of these
values, seeing it as an opportunity to consolidate their rule.
Ya think? It was written by the Senate Democrats so the chances of objectivity and anything other than a hit piece are nil. Yet, here's Tender posting it as science
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Biker wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:40 pm
Charliesheen wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:32 pm
B-Tender wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:41 am
Charliesheen wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:47 am
B-Tender wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:03 am
Biker wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:15 pm

In your lifetime, has there been anyone worse than Biden?
Simple question, more complex answer:

Biden has been the biggest vacuum of ability.
GHB was the worst decision I've experienced in getting us into perpetual war.
Obama probably had one of the biggest mandates, and did nothing with it.
DJT ruined alliances in Europe.
Please elaborate on the ruined alliances thing.
Well I should have said internationally, not just Europe. Here's a fun read if you have the time.

https://www.govinfo. ...
Ima plowing through it. Thanks for posting. Gotta say, this paragraph makes me want to label this a hit-piece. But in the interest of science, I’m moving in.
Past U.S. presidents sought to showcase the United States
as a model for what a society can achieve when it is based upon
democracy and freedom. President Trump, on the other hand, has
consistently shown disdain for pluralism, human rights, civil
society, the press, and rule of law. His domestic policies,
including family separation, reducing the number of refugees
into the U.S., attacking the rule of law and the freedom of the
press, and failing to stand up for racial equality, have led
U.S. allies to question the values of the United States.
Authoritarian leaders have seized upon the abandonment of these
values, seeing it as an opportunity to consolidate their rule.
Ya think? It was written by the Senate Democrats so the chances of objectivity and anything other than a hit piece are nil. Yet, here's Tender posting it as science
Science? LOL.
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B-Tender wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:44 pm
Biker wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:40 pm
Charliesheen wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:32 pm
B-Tender wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:41 am
Charliesheen wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:47 am
B-Tender wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:03 am

Simple question, more complex answer:

Biden has been the biggest vacuum of ability.
GHB was the worst decision I've experienced in getting us into perpetual war.
Obama probably had one of the biggest mandates, and did nothing with it.
DJT ruined alliances in Europe.
Please elaborate on the ruined alliances thing.
Well I should have said internationally, not just Europe. Here's a fun read if you have the time.

https://www.govinfo. ...
Ima plowing through it. Thanks for posting. Gotta say, this paragraph makes me want to label this a hit-piece. But in the interest of science, I’m moving in.
Past U.S. presidents sought to showcase the United States
as a model for what a society can achieve when it is based upon
democracy and freedom. President Trump, on the other hand, has
consistently shown disdain for pluralism, human rights, civil
society, the press, and rule of law. His domestic policies,
including family separation, reducing the number of refugees
into the U.S., attacking the rule of law and the freedom of the
press, and failing to stand up for racial equality, have led
U.S. allies to question the values of the United States.
Authoritarian leaders have seized upon the abandonment of these
values, seeing it as an opportunity to consolidate their rule.
Ya think? It was written by the Senate Democrats so the chances of objectivity and anything other than a hit piece are nil. Yet, here's Tender posting it as science
Science? LOL.
You posted it to buttress your argument.

As for ruining European alliances, I dont recall Russia invading Ukraine or its other Euro neighbors when Trump was president. You would think that Trump being Vlad's lapdog he would go hog wild.
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Biker wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:49 pm
B-Tender wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:44 pm
Biker wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:40 pm
Charliesheen wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:32 pm
B-Tender wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:41 am
Charliesheen wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:47 am

Please elaborate on the ruined alliances thing.
Well I should have said internationally, not just Europe. Here's a fun read if you have the time.

https://www.govinfo. ...
Ima plowing through it. Thanks for posting. Gotta say, this paragraph makes me want to label this a hit-piece. But in the interest of science, I’m moving in.
Past U.S. presidents sought to showcase the United States
as a model for what a society can achieve when it is based upon
democracy and freedom. President Trump, on the other hand, has
consistently shown disdain for pluralism, human rights, civil
society, the press, and rule of law. His domestic policies,
including family separation, reducing the number of refugees
into the U.S., attacking the rule of law and the freedom of the
press, and failing to stand up for racial equality, have led
U.S. allies to question the values of the United States.
Authoritarian leaders have seized upon the abandonment of these
values, seeing it as an opportunity to consolidate their rule.
Ya think? It was written by the Senate Democrats so the chances of objectivity and anything other than a hit piece are nil. Yet, here's Tender posting it as science
Science? LOL.
You posted it to buttress your argument.

As for ruining European alliances, I dont recall Russia invading Ukraine or its other Euro neighbors when Trump was president. You would think that Trump being Vlad's lapdog he would go hog wild.
Nice try. Ukraine gradually moving into position to join NATO has been going on for awhile.
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Putin obviously gives ZERO fucks what Biden thinks, as he so loudly displayed this morning on the world stage when he basically told the US to go fuck themselves.
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Animal wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:47 pm Putin obviously gives ZERO fucks what Biden thinks, as he so loudly displayed this morning on the world stage when he basically told the US to go fuck themselves.
Vlad is dying, thoughts and prayers
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Who wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:35 pm
Animal wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:47 pm Putin obviously gives ZERO fucks what Biden thinks, as he so loudly displayed this morning on the world stage when he basically told the US to go fuck themselves.
Vlad is dying, thoughts and prayers
i hope you are right.

but what i know for sure is that if Putin and Biden were in any kind of head to head matchup in anything, Putin would be the runaway favorite and Biden would be a complete longshot.
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From what I can tell, Putin is wildly popular with Russians.
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