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Biker wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:45 pm
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He should run for President.
He's a cunt
That didn't stop Monica Lewinsky's rapist ex-boyfriend's wife from running.
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squirt wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:34 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:28 pm
squirt wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:11 pm
BigRedRetard wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:44 pm
Burn1dwn wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:20 pm
BigRedRetard wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 3:28 pm Terrible. As if the vets weren't getting fucked hard already. Hopefully the senators who voted against i all get ass cancer.
Lowest of the low.
The V.A is a pretty big customer at my company. The inefficiency and waste in the one department we deal with is disgusting. I can only imagine how bad it gets once you get beyond those four walls. I would rather see the VA privatized. I really believe our vets would get much better care.
This is why I laugh hysterically at everyone screaming "Muh government health care!"

Mother fucker, I've been using military health care since 1986. You do NOT want the gov't in charge of ALL health care.

Granted, everything is FUBAR'd right now as well. But let's be real - the gov't fucks up everything. I can attest to that.
That really is the problem with your healthcare. No one trusts the Gov to do it and the private sector is raping your chequebooks. You dont have anyone to run it properly.
Sorry, I don't buy into Canadian or UK universal health care. Our system is fucked up, but there's still plenty of medical tourism from those places.

Are you insinuating that Canada is doing it right?
Certainly doing a better job keeping all of our citizens healthy.
You guys just voted on giving free healthcare to veterans that got poisoned by toxins in some shithole place.
Every Canadian citizen has what you want for a handful of veterans.
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Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:33 pm
squirt wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:34 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:28 pm
squirt wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:11 pm
BigRedRetard wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:44 pm
Burn1dwn wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:20 pm Lowest of the low.
The V.A is a pretty big customer at my company. The inefficiency and waste in the one department we deal with is disgusting. I can only imagine how bad it gets once you get beyond those four walls. I would rather see the VA privatized. I really believe our vets would get much better care.
This is why I laugh hysterically at everyone screaming "Muh government health care!"

Mother fucker, I've been using military health care since 1986. You do NOT want the gov't in charge of ALL health care.

Granted, everything is FUBAR'd right now as well. But let's be real - the gov't fucks up everything. I can attest to that.
That really is the problem with your healthcare. No one trusts the Gov to do it and the private sector is raping your chequebooks. You dont have anyone to run it properly.
Sorry, I don't buy into Canadian or UK universal health care. Our system is fucked up, but there's still plenty of medical tourism from those places.

Are you insinuating that Canada is doing it right?
Certainly doing a better job keeping all of our citizens healthy.
You guys just voted on giving free healthcare to veterans that got poisoned by toxins in some shithole place.
Every Canadian citizen has what you want for a handful of veterans.
Is your insulin covered or do you have to pay for it?
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Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:36 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:33 pm
squirt wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:34 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:28 pm
squirt wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:11 pm
BigRedRetard wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:44 pm

The V.A is a pretty big customer at my company. The inefficiency and waste in the one department we deal with is disgusting. I can only imagine how bad it gets once you get beyond those four walls. I would rather see the VA privatized. I really believe our vets would get much better care.
This is why I laugh hysterically at everyone screaming "Muh government health care!"

Mother fucker, I've been using military health care since 1986. You do NOT want the gov't in charge of ALL health care.

Granted, everything is FUBAR'd right now as well. But let's be real - the gov't fucks up everything. I can attest to that.
That really is the problem with your healthcare. No one trusts the Gov to do it and the private sector is raping your chequebooks. You dont have anyone to run it properly.
Sorry, I don't buy into Canadian or UK universal health care. Our system is fucked up, but there's still plenty of medical tourism from those places.

Are you insinuating that Canada is doing it right?
Certainly doing a better job keeping all of our citizens healthy.
You guys just voted on giving free healthcare to veterans that got poisoned by toxins in some shithole place.
Every Canadian citizen has what you want for a handful of veterans.
Is your insulin covered or do you have to pay for it?
Probably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....
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Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:36 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:33 pm
squirt wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:34 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:28 pm
squirt wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:11 pm

This is why I laugh hysterically at everyone screaming "Muh government health care!"

Mother fucker, I've been using military health care since 1986. You do NOT want the gov't in charge of ALL health care.

Granted, everything is FUBAR'd right now as well. But let's be real - the gov't fucks up everything. I can attest to that.
That really is the problem with your healthcare. No one trusts the Gov to do it and the private sector is raping your chequebooks. You dont have anyone to run it properly.
Sorry, I don't buy into Canadian or UK universal health care. Our system is fucked up, but there's still plenty of medical tourism from those places.

Are you insinuating that Canada is doing it right?
Certainly doing a better job keeping all of our citizens healthy.
You guys just voted on giving free healthcare to veterans that got poisoned by toxins in some shithole place.
Every Canadian citizen has what you want for a handful of veterans.
Is your insulin covered or do you have to pay for it?
Probably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....
So its not covered. Got it
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Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:36 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:33 pm
squirt wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:34 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:28 pm

That really is the problem with your healthcare. No one trusts the Gov to do it and the private sector is raping your chequebooks. You dont have anyone to run it properly.
Sorry, I don't buy into Canadian or UK universal health care. Our system is fucked up, but there's still plenty of medical tourism from those places.

Are you insinuating that Canada is doing it right?
Certainly doing a better job keeping all of our citizens healthy.
You guys just voted on giving free healthcare to veterans that got poisoned by toxins in some shithole place.
Every Canadian citizen has what you want for a handful of veterans.
Is your insulin covered or do you have to pay for it?
Probably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....
So its not covered. Got it
Cost of insulin in the United States... $98
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12

It's the SAME insulin.
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Reservoir Dog wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:36 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:33 pm
squirt wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:34 pm

Sorry, I don't buy into Canadian or UK universal health care. Our system is fucked up, but there's still plenty of medical tourism from those places.

Are you insinuating that Canada is doing it right?
Certainly doing a better job keeping all of our citizens healthy.
You guys just voted on giving free healthcare to veterans that got poisoned by toxins in some shithole place.
Every Canadian citizen has what you want for a handful of veterans.
Is your insulin covered or do you have to pay for it?
Probably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....
So its not covered. Got it
Cost of insulin in the United States... $98
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12

It's the SAME insulin.
Yeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin prices
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I can’t get past Stewart’s snark. With just a small crowd-nice mix of women & minorities btw-of sycophants he’s simply cranky and shrill.
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Charliesheen wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:37 pm I can’t get past Stewart’s snark. With just a small crowd-nice mix of women & minorities btw-of sycophants he’s simply cranky and shrill.
But he isn't lying.
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Charliesheen wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:37 pm I can’t get past Stewart’s snark. With just a small crowd-nice mix of women & minorities btw-of sycophants he’s simply cranky and shrill.
Have you ever seen the military Charles? Lots of women and minorities. Don't you think the groups he name dropped would throw him under the bus if they didn't approve of his message? American Legion, etc..

Say what you will about Jon Stewart. He has been using his voice as a spotlight to shit the politicians would like to keep quiet.
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Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:36 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:33 pm

Certainly doing a better job keeping all of our citizens healthy.
You guys just voted on giving free healthcare to veterans that got poisoned by toxins in some shithole place.
Every Canadian citizen has what you want for a handful of veterans.
Is your insulin covered or do you have to pay for it?
Probably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....
So its not covered. Got it
Cost of insulin in the United States... $98
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12

It's the SAME insulin.
Yeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin prices
Yep. It was literally the first or second thing he did.
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:24 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:36 pm

Is your insulin covered or do you have to pay for it?
Probably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....
So its not covered. Got it
Cost of insulin in the United States... $98
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12

It's the SAME insulin.
Yeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin prices
Yep. It was literally the first or second thing he did.
Trump's EO was only for certain clinics in a few locations. It wasn't for everyone.
Biden wants lower insulin prices for EVERYONE.
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Reservoir Dog wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:31 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:24 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm

Probably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....
So its not covered. Got it
Cost of insulin in the United States... $98
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12

It's the SAME insulin.
Yeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin prices
Yep. It was literally the first or second thing he did.
Trump's EO was only for certain clinics in a few locations. It wasn't for everyone.
Biden wants lower insulin prices for EVERYONE.
Lower prices for a few locations is better than lower prices nowhere. But there tou go, another example of Sippy Cup hampering progress.
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The question remains why the more than two dozen Republicans, many of whom themselves are veterans, voted for it last month but flipped this week.
Apparently nothing had changed.

Maybe they didn't read it before they voted last time I guess? Either way, voting against now looks bad.

P.S. I did some research on why the House couldn't pass it as is:
In June, the bill passed the Senate 84-14. The legislation was ready to be passed by the House, but the bill was delayed as there was one section of the legislation that was being debated by Veterans Affairs Committee leaders.

The bill had to be revised to remove an obscure tax provision that raised a constitutional concern in the House, according to Roll Call. The House passed the revised version on July 13 on a 342-88 vote and sent the package back to the Senate with only a minor change.
So the part that "suddenly" concerned the Senate was unchanged from the one they voted 84-14 for
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Reservoir Dog wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:31 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:24 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm

Probably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....
So its not covered. Got it
Cost of insulin in the United States... $98
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12

It's the SAME insulin.
Yeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin prices
Yep. It was literally the first or second thing he did.
Trump's EO was only for certain clinics in a few locations. It wasn't for everyone.
Biden wants lower insulin prices for EVERYONE.
So why couldnt he work toward "lower prices for everyone" while still keeping those lower prices that already existed?
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:05 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:31 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:24 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm

So its not covered. Got it
Cost of insulin in the United States... $98
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12

It's the SAME insulin.
Yeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin prices
Yep. It was literally the first or second thing he did.
Trump's EO was only for certain clinics in a few locations. It wasn't for everyone.
Biden wants lower insulin prices for EVERYONE.
So why couldnt he work toward "lower prices for everyone" while still keeping those lower prices that already existed?
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FSchmertz wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:04 pm
The question remains why the more than two dozen Republicans, many of whom themselves are veterans, voted for it last month but flipped this week.
Apparently nothing had changed.

Maybe they didn't read it before they voted last time I guess? Either way, voting against now looks bad.

P.S. I did some research on why the House couldn't pass it as is:
In June, the bill passed the Senate 84-14. The legislation was ready to be passed by the House, but the bill was delayed as there was one section of the legislation that was being debated by Veterans Affairs Committee leaders.

The bill had to be revised to remove an obscure tax provision that raised a constitutional concern in the House, according to Roll Call. The House passed the revised version on July 13 on a 342-88 vote and sent the package back to the Senate with only a minor change.
So the part that "suddenly" concerned the Senate was unchanged from the one they voted 84-14 for
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Reservoir Dog wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:01 pm
Here it is.
There's no "shit fuckery" in it.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con ... -bill/3967
"The PACT Act as written includes a budget gimmick that would allow $400 billion of current law spending to be moved from the discretionary to the mandatory spending category," the release read.

It went on: "This provision is completely unnecessary to achieve the PACT Act's stated goal of expanding health care and other benefits for veterans. However, it would enable an additional $400 billion in future discretionary spending completely unrelated to veterans. By failing to remove this gimmick, Congress would effectively be using an important veterans care bill to hide a massive, unrelated spending binge."

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As would be expected. The Democrats pick out a lightning rod topic and then latch on some huge spending allocation for other stuff. And then blame republicans for hating the people the lightning rod was "supposed" to protect.
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And, if i read this right, one democrat voted AGAINST the bill, too. Chuck Schumer.
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Reservoir Dog wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:31 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:24 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pm
Biker wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm

Probably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....
So its not covered. Got it
Cost of insulin in the United States... $98
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12

It's the SAME insulin.
Yeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin prices
Yep. It was literally the first or second thing he did.
Trump's EO was only for certain clinics in a few locations. It wasn't for everyone.
Biden wants lower insulin prices for EVERYONE.
You are a mental defect.
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Animal wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:41 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:01 pm
Here it is.
There's no "shit fuckery" in it.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con ... -bill/3967
"The PACT Act as written includes a budget gimmick that would allow $400 billion of current law spending to be moved from the discretionary to the mandatory spending category," the release read.

It went on: "This provision is completely unnecessary to achieve the PACT Act's stated goal of expanding health care and other benefits for veterans. However, it would enable an additional $400 billion in future discretionary spending completely unrelated to veterans. By failing to remove this gimmick, Congress would effectively be using an important veterans care bill to hide a massive, unrelated spending binge."

------------

As would be expected. The Democrats pick out a lightning rod topic and then latch on some huge spending allocation for other stuff. And then blame republicans for hating the people the lightning rod was "supposed" to protect.
The bill had one change from the vote they took earlier in the year. It was not that.
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Where did everybody go?
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see how easy it is to get good legislation passed when you write the bill the way it should be written and pay for it the way it should be funded? It got 88 votes? Just a couple of days right after it was voted down because of how the money was going to be spent.

it had nothing to do with those bad republicans not wanting to help veterans. But yall knew that.

Let that be a lesson to you democrats if you want to get stuff done.
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Animal wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:48 am see how easy it is to get good legislation passed when you write the bill the way it should be written and pay for it the way it should be funded? It got 88 votes? Just a couple of days right after it was voted down because of how the money was going to be spent.

it had nothing to do with those bad republicans not wanting to help veterans. But yall knew that.

Let that be a lesson to you democrats if you want to get stuff done.
Yea Jon Stewart had no effect on these events
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Who wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:14 am
Animal wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:48 am see how easy it is to get good legislation passed when you write the bill the way it should be written and pay for it the way it should be funded? It got 88 votes? Just a couple of days right after it was voted down because of how the money was going to be spent.

it had nothing to do with those bad republicans not wanting to help veterans. But yall knew that.

Let that be a lesson to you democrats if you want to get stuff done.
Yea Jon Stewart had no effect on these events
:lol: get the fuck out. he had zero effect. every one of those senators knew when they held the "trial" vote last week what it would take to get the bill passed. even schumer voted against it and he's the fucking senate majority leader.
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