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when it comes to elections. Two days after Election Day, we still don't know who controls the House or Senate. We allow unaccountable mail in ballots, unsupervised drop boxes, no identification to vote in many states, and permit states to not update their voter rolls. Shit country when it comes to elections

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Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:32 pm when it comes to elections. Two days after Election Day, we still don't know who controls the House or Senate. We allow unaccountable mail in ballots, unsupervised drop boxes, no identification to vote in many states, and permit states to not update their voter rolls. Shit country when it comes to elections

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There is one particular party that likes it that way.
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The Red Wave turned into the Red Trickle which turned into the Red Ripple which turned into a stagnant rain puddle.


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Learn from Florida — states don't need weeks to count votes

Where were you when the great Bush v. Gore controversy began?

It was 22 years ago that Florida became the butt of the nation's and the world's joke because of the worst election debacle in modern history. The vote in Florida had finished very close on election night. Then, a machine recount tightened the margin between George W. Bush and Al Gore. Then came hand recounts and controversies about undervotes and the means lawful to divine voter intention. Everyone in America learned what the word "chad" means and mastered a new set of adjectives to go with it. "Hanging chads!" "Pregnant chads!"

More than a month of litigation and counting and a Supreme Court decision later, Bush emerged the victor. And Floridians wisely resolved never to let such a fiasco happen again. They set out to overhaul their election system. And it worked.

Over time, Florida developed a technologically advanced system that has all the advantages and access one could want in an election, but without chads. That is to say, Florida offers voters abundant early voting and absentee voting by mail, turnout is high, and the state uses machines now instead of butterfly ballots. There is no more need to divine voter intention by looking to see whether a chad has been "dimpled."

Best of all, Florida officials have results on election night. This is thanks mostly to their decision to require that voters request a ballot and to let election workers process the early and mail-in votes — 85% of the Florida vote in 2020 — ahead of election night. This way, unless the race is so close that a recount is justified, it doesn't take long to know who won.

This year's election serves as an unfortunate reminder that many states are bizarrely moving in the opposite direction, toward chaos. Not only are they turning Election Day into "voting month," but some states are also dragging out the process of counting votes for weeks. There's no reason for this, at least no good one. Florida's example proves that you can receive 5 million mail ballots, plus a similar number of early votes, yet release accurate and almost complete results on election night. That must come as a shock to voting officials in Washington state and Oregon, which will release their results...well, sometime after Easter, probably.

California is the worst. Not only does it send mail-in ballots to all voters, even if they don't request one, but it also continues to count ballots received in the mail after Election Day as long as they were postmarked on Election Day. Florida only counts mail-in ballots received by Election Day. So in California, election officials still don't have all the votes as you read this — so of course they haven't finished counting them.

It's 2022. How is it that Western societies have developed such technology and yet the process of counting votes has become so much less efficient than it was in 1950?

This isn't a Right or Left issue. These kinds of long delays are a choice, not an inevitability, and their results are irritating for people of all political persuasions. Everyone should have a right to vote, but the system should not bend over backward to accommodate those who choose not to exercise their right in a timely manner.

State legislators should look to Florida's system of tabulating votes and model their own systems after it. There's no reason states cannot have ample early voting opportunities and mail balloting, yet at the same time produce results in a timely manner on election night.
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Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:34 pm
Learn from Florida — states don't need weeks to count votes

Where were you when the great Bush v. Gore controversy began?

It was 22 years ago that Florida became the butt of the nation's and the world's joke because of the worst election debacle in modern history. The vote in Florida had finished very close on election night. Then, a machine recount tightened the margin between George W. Bush and Al Gore. Then came hand recounts and controversies about undervotes and the means lawful to divine voter intention. Everyone in America learned what the word "chad" means and mastered a new set of adjectives to go with it. "Hanging chads!" "Pregnant chads!"

More than a month of litigation and counting and a Supreme Court decision later, Bush emerged the victor. And Floridians wisely resolved never to let such a fiasco happen again. They set out to overhaul their election system. And it worked.

Over time, Florida developed a technologically advanced system that has all the advantages and access one could want in an election, but without chads. That is to say, Florida offers voters abundant early voting and absentee voting by mail, turnout is high, and the state uses machines now instead of butterfly ballots. There is no more need to divine voter intention by looking to see whether a chad has been "dimpled."

Best of all, Florida officials have results on election night. This is thanks mostly to their decision to require that voters request a ballot and to let election workers process the early and mail-in votes — 85% of the Florida vote in 2020 — ahead of election night. This way, unless the race is so close that a recount is justified, it doesn't take long to know who won.

This year's election serves as an unfortunate reminder that many states are bizarrely moving in the opposite direction, toward chaos. Not only are they turning Election Day into "voting month," but some states are also dragging out the process of counting votes for weeks. There's no reason for this, at least no good one. Florida's example proves that you can receive 5 million mail ballots, plus a similar number of early votes, yet release accurate and almost complete results on election night. That must come as a shock to voting officials in Washington state and Oregon, which will release their results...well, sometime after Easter, probably.

California is the worst. Not only does it send mail-in ballots to all voters, even if they don't request one, but it also continues to count ballots received in the mail after Election Day as long as they were postmarked on Election Day. Florida only counts mail-in ballots received by Election Day. So in California, election officials still don't have all the votes as you read this — so of course they haven't finished counting them.

It's 2022. How is it that Western societies have developed such technology and yet the process of counting votes has become so much less efficient than it was in 1950?

This isn't a Right or Left issue. These kinds of long delays are a choice, not an inevitability, and their results are irritating for people of all political persuasions. Everyone should have a right to vote, but the system should not bend over backward to accommodate those who choose not to exercise their right in a timely manner.

State legislators should look to Florida's system of tabulating votes and model their own systems after it. There's no reason states cannot have ample early voting opportunities and mail balloting, yet at the same time produce results in a timely manner on election night.
So, leave it up to the individual states?
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saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:03 pm
Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:34 pm
Learn from Florida — states don't need weeks to count votes

Where were you when the great Bush v. Gore controversy began?

It was 22 years ago that Florida became the butt of the nation's and the world's joke because of the worst election debacle in modern history. The vote in Florida had finished very close on election night. Then, a machine recount tightened the margin between George W. Bush and Al Gore. Then came hand recounts and controversies about undervotes and the means lawful to divine voter intention. Everyone in America learned what the word "chad" means and mastered a new set of adjectives to go with it. "Hanging chads!" "Pregnant chads!"

More than a month of litigation and counting and a Supreme Court decision later, Bush emerged the victor. And Floridians wisely resolved never to let such a fiasco happen again. They set out to overhaul their election system. And it worked.

Over time, Florida developed a technologically advanced system that has all the advantages and access one could want in an election, but without chads. That is to say, Florida offers voters abundant early voting and absentee voting by mail, turnout is high, and the state uses machines now instead of butterfly ballots. There is no more need to divine voter intention by looking to see whether a chad has been "dimpled."

Best of all, Florida officials have results on election night. This is thanks mostly to their decision to require that voters request a ballot and to let election workers process the early and mail-in votes — 85% of the Florida vote in 2020 — ahead of election night. This way, unless the race is so close that a recount is justified, it doesn't take long to know who won.

This year's election serves as an unfortunate reminder that many states are bizarrely moving in the opposite direction, toward chaos. Not only are they turning Election Day into "voting month," but some states are also dragging out the process of counting votes for weeks. There's no reason for this, at least no good one. Florida's example proves that you can receive 5 million mail ballots, plus a similar number of early votes, yet release accurate and almost complete results on election night. That must come as a shock to voting officials in Washington state and Oregon, which will release their results...well, sometime after Easter, probably.

California is the worst. Not only does it send mail-in ballots to all voters, even if they don't request one, but it also continues to count ballots received in the mail after Election Day as long as they were postmarked on Election Day. Florida only counts mail-in ballots received by Election Day. So in California, election officials still don't have all the votes as you read this — so of course they haven't finished counting them.

It's 2022. How is it that Western societies have developed such technology and yet the process of counting votes has become so much less efficient than it was in 1950?

This isn't a Right or Left issue. These kinds of long delays are a choice, not an inevitability, and their results are irritating for people of all political persuasions. Everyone should have a right to vote, but the system should not bend over backward to accommodate those who choose not to exercise their right in a timely manner.

State legislators should look to Florida's system of tabulating votes and model their own systems after it. There's no reason states cannot have ample early voting opportunities and mail balloting, yet at the same time produce results in a timely manner on election night.
So, leave it up to the individual states?
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saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:03 pm
Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:34 pm
Learn from Florida — states don't need weeks to count votes

Where were you when the great Bush v. Gore controversy began?

It was 22 years ago that Florida became the butt of the nation's and the world's joke because of the worst election debacle in modern history. The vote in Florida had finished very close on election night. Then, a machine recount tightened the margin between George W. Bush and Al Gore. Then came hand recounts and controversies about undervotes and the means lawful to divine voter intention. Everyone in America learned what the word "chad" means and mastered a new set of adjectives to go with it. "Hanging chads!" "Pregnant chads!"

More than a month of litigation and counting and a Supreme Court decision later, Bush emerged the victor. And Floridians wisely resolved never to let such a fiasco happen again. They set out to overhaul their election system. And it worked.

Over time, Florida developed a technologically advanced system that has all the advantages and access one could want in an election, but without chads. That is to say, Florida offers voters abundant early voting and absentee voting by mail, turnout is high, and the state uses machines now instead of butterfly ballots. There is no more need to divine voter intention by looking to see whether a chad has been "dimpled."

Best of all, Florida officials have results on election night. This is thanks mostly to their decision to require that voters request a ballot and to let election workers process the early and mail-in votes — 85% of the Florida vote in 2020 — ahead of election night. This way, unless the race is so close that a recount is justified, it doesn't take long to know who won.

This year's election serves as an unfortunate reminder that many states are bizarrely moving in the opposite direction, toward chaos. Not only are they turning Election Day into "voting month," but some states are also dragging out the process of counting votes for weeks. There's no reason for this, at least no good one. Florida's example proves that you can receive 5 million mail ballots, plus a similar number of early votes, yet release accurate and almost complete results on election night. That must come as a shock to voting officials in Washington state and Oregon, which will release their results...well, sometime after Easter, probably.

California is the worst. Not only does it send mail-in ballots to all voters, even if they don't request one, but it also continues to count ballots received in the mail after Election Day as long as they were postmarked on Election Day. Florida only counts mail-in ballots received by Election Day. So in California, election officials still don't have all the votes as you read this — so of course they haven't finished counting them.

It's 2022. How is it that Western societies have developed such technology and yet the process of counting votes has become so much less efficient than it was in 1950?

This isn't a Right or Left issue. These kinds of long delays are a choice, not an inevitability, and their results are irritating for people of all political persuasions. Everyone should have a right to vote, but the system should not bend over backward to accommodate those who choose not to exercise their right in a timely manner.

State legislators should look to Florida's system of tabulating votes and model their own systems after it. There's no reason states cannot have ample early voting opportunities and mail balloting, yet at the same time produce results in a timely manner on election night.
So, leave it up to the individual states?
i never saw him mention that there should be a federal law to change how states count votes. It says "state legislators should look into how Florida does it".

Now, if this were a democrat complaint, we would have a constitutional amendment trying to be passed to change how everybody does it.
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If the goal of the process is to "get it right", what's the problem.

Funny, I don't remember screaming about ballot counting in 2016.
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saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:19 pm If the goal of the process is to "get it right", what's the problem.

Funny, I don't remember screaming about ballot counting in 2016.
Or in 2020.
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Reservoir Dog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:22 pm
saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:19 pm If the goal of the process is to "get it right", what's the problem.

Funny, I don't remember screaming about ballot counting in 2016.
Or in 2020.
what's even funnier is i never remember elections where we had to wait weeks to find out who won. Other than the hanging chad fiasco. I am not really bitching about it, i just never remember elections dragging out like this. maybe the races weren't so close and they could call them early without these 2 week ballot counts that wouldn't make any difference. but it sure seems like something has changed.
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Animal wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:26 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:22 pm
saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:19 pm If the goal of the process is to "get it right", what's the problem.

Funny, I don't remember screaming about ballot counting in 2016.
Or in 2020.
what's even funnier is i never remember elections where we had to wait weeks to find out who won. Other than the hanging chad fiasco. I am not really bitching about it, i just never remember elections dragging out like this. maybe the races weren't so close and they could call them early without these 2 week ballot counts that wouldn't make any difference. but it sure seems like something has changed.
That's because it takes time to properly stuff a ballot box, or so the bikeresque dupes of the world think.
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I agree that California should modify a few things. If you are using a mail in ballot, it should be mailed at least 5 days prior to voting day.
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saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:19 pm If the goal of the process is to "get it right", what's the problem.

Funny, I don't remember screaming about ballot counting in 2016.
True, you were screaming about how Russia stole the election from Hillary
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Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:18 pm
saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:19 pm If the goal of the process is to "get it right", what's the problem.

Funny, I don't remember screaming about ballot counting in 2016.
True, you were screaming about how Russia stole the election from Hillary
Screaming? LOL
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saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:31 pm
Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:18 pm
saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:19 pm If the goal of the process is to "get it right", what's the problem.

Funny, I don't remember screaming about ballot counting in 2016.
True, you were screaming about how Russia stole the election from Hillary
Screaming? LOL
Well, you spent the next four years telling everyone and anyone who would listen that Trump and Putin stole the election
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Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:34 pm
saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:31 pm
Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:18 pm
saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:19 pm If the goal of the process is to "get it right", what's the problem.

Funny, I don't remember screaming about ballot counting in 2016.
True, you were screaming about how Russia stole the election from Hillary
Screaming? LOL
Well, you spent the next four years telling everyone and anyone who would listen that Trump and Putin stole the election
I did? Interesting story considering that I only started posting again on You Jay Are less than a year ago.
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saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:35 pm
Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:34 pm
saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:31 pm
Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:18 pm
saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:19 pm If the goal of the process is to "get it right", what's the problem.

Funny, I don't remember screaming about ballot counting in 2016.
True, you were screaming about how Russia stole the election from Hillary
Screaming? LOL
Well, you spent the next four years telling everyone and anyone who would listen that Trump and Putin stole the election
I did? Interesting story considering that I only started posting again on You Jay Are less than a year ago.
Oh, because UJR is the only place to talk politics. :lol:
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Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:36 pm
saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:35 pm
Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:34 pm
saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:31 pm
Biker wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:18 pm
saltydog wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:19 pm If the goal of the process is to "get it right", what's the problem.

Funny, I don't remember screaming about ballot counting in 2016.
True, you were screaming about how Russia stole the election from Hillary
Screaming? LOL
Well, you spent the next four years telling everyone and anyone who would listen that Trump and Putin stole the election
I did? Interesting story considering that I only started posting again on You Jay Are less than a year ago.
Oh, because UJR is the only place to talk politics. :lol:
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Maybe we can take notes from Nigeria. Days 3 after the election and we dont know who won. This is fucking absurd
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B-Tender wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:05 pm I agree that California should modify a few things. If you are using a mail in ballot, it should be mailed at least 5 days prior to voting day.
This.
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Burn1dwn wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:40 pm
B-Tender wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:05 pm I agree that California should modify a few things. If you are using a mail in ballot, it should be mailed at least 5 days prior to voting day.
This.
But, but, but INDIVIDUAL STATES?!?!?!?!?
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Whats the over/under for knowing who controls the House? Thanksgiving?
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Looks like Lauren Boebert's still has a chance for auto recount. .4% difference right now. Not sure how long that would take.
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Biker wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:49 pm Whats the over/under for knowing who controls the House? Thanksgiving?
:lol: Some of these California House districts are still down around 30 or 40% counted even today. 3.5 days later and they haven't counted by 1/3 of the votes. And one of them that was at that level only had about 40,000 votes counted and it was still below 40%.
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