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Not decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
That sounds like you found the solution. I wonder if you could talk Oregon into going ahead and doing that? And since this was a liberal decision to decriminalize it, i like how you made the stretch to blame it on conservatives who really have no dog in this hunt other to laugh at the the idea and now the outcome.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:10 pmNot decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
I'm going to blow your mind here - Oregon does not control the garbage-tier federal policies waging the failed war on drugs.Animal wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:39 pmThat sounds like you found the solution. I wonder if you could talk Oregon into going ahead and doing that? And since this was a liberal decision to decriminalize it, i like how you made the stretch to blame it on conservatives who really have no dog in this hunt other to laugh at the the idea and now the outcome.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:10 pmNot decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
Says the guy who tried to blame the Democrats when the Republicans kicked out their own speaker.Animal wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:39 pmThat sounds like you found the solution. I wonder if you could talk Oregon into going ahead and doing that? And since this was a liberal decision to decriminalize it, i like how you made the stretch to blame it on conservatives who really have no dog in this hunt other to laugh at the the idea and now the outcome.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:10 pmNot decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
go check the vote records for who voted out the speaker.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:27 pmSays the guy who tried to blame the Democrats when the Republicans kicked out their own speaker.Animal wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:39 pmThat sounds like you found the solution. I wonder if you could talk Oregon into going ahead and doing that? And since this was a liberal decision to decriminalize it, i like how you made the stretch to blame it on conservatives who really have no dog in this hunt other to laugh at the the idea and now the outcome.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:10 pmNot decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
So, let me get this straight. They went the liberal route and decriminalized which blew up in their face and now you suggest they double down on the liberal policy and legalize? And spare me the "that way they can tax like they do alcohol and tobacco" BS. So, they decriminalized and faced a huge social and death toll and somehow legalizing hard drugs will make all of that go away? Do you dream of colored rainbows at night?Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:10 pmNot decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
You seem to be under the impression that keeping hard drugs illegal is somehow part of the solution, despite mountains of empirical data disproving the efficacy of prohibition. Do you also think that legalization will induce demand? You gonna go do H when it's legal, was it only the law stopping you? News flash, the legality of hard drugs has done nothing to quell the problem, because that's what happens when you try to address a mental health issue with the criminal justice system - you only get compounding problems. Junkies have fewer routes out once they've been introduced into the system that gives them a record and limits their future opportunities to earn.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:27 pmSo, let me get this straight. They went the liberal route and decriminalized which blew up in their face and now you suggest they double down on the liberal policy and legalize? And spare me the "that way they can tax like they do alcohol and tobacco" BS. So, they decriminalized and faced a huge social and death toll and somehow legalizing hard drugs will make all of that go away? Do you dream of colored rainbows at night?Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:10 pmNot decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
Believe me, I've been around seems like forever watching the futility of the War on Drugs. The whole schedule 1 on pot my whole life is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. But it doesn't change the fact that the whole worldwide war on hard drugs that's been going on since forever has been happening for a reason. For the sake of society, you can't just have legalized hard drugs flowing through the system without the end result being total chaos. I'm sorry that a small percentage of the population has mental health/ addiction problems. It's been that way since human kind has existed. The problem is the liberal policies on this and many other issues. The vast majority of society is asked to ignore society norms and bend to a tiny percentage of the population. Sorry. Your "solution" will not solve anything in my opinion.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:41 pmYou seem to be under the impression that keeping hard drugs illegal is somehow part of the solution, despite mountains of imperial data disproving the efficacy of prohibition. Do you also think that legalization will induce demand? You gonna go do H when it's legal, was it only the law stopping you? News flash, the legality of hard drugs has done nothing to quell the problem, because that's what happens when you try to address a mental health issue with the criminal justice system - you only get compounding problems. Junkies have fewer routes out once they've been introduced into the system that gives them a record and limits their future opportunities to earn.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:27 pmSo, let me get this straight. They went the liberal route and decriminalized which blew up in their face and now you suggest they double down on the liberal policy and legalize? And spare me the "that way they can tax like they do alcohol and tobacco" BS. So, they decriminalized and faced a huge social and death toll and somehow legalizing hard drugs will make all of that go away? Do you dream of colored rainbows at night?Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:10 pmNot decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
Okay. I'm giving you $500,000,000 UJ bucks to produce and direct your own movie about the chaos that ensues the day after hard drugs are legalized in the US. Pitch me your idea.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:02 pmBelieve me, I've been around seems like forever watching the futility of the War on Drugs. The whole schedule 1 on pot my whole life is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. But it doesn't change the fact that the whole worldwide war on hard drugs that's been going on since forever has been happening for a reason. For the sake of society, you can't just have legalized hard drugs flowing through the system without the end result being total chaos. I'm sorry that a small percentage of the population has mental health/ addiction problems. It's been that way since human kind has existed. The problem is the liberal policies on this and many other issues. The vast majority of society is asked to ignore society norms and bend to a tiny percentage of the population. Sorry. Your "solution" will not solve anything in my opinion.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:41 pmYou seem to be under the impression that keeping hard drugs illegal is somehow part of the solution, despite mountains of imperial data disproving the efficacy of prohibition. Do you also think that legalization will induce demand? You gonna go do H when it's legal, was it only the law stopping you? News flash, the legality of hard drugs has done nothing to quell the problem, because that's what happens when you try to address a mental health issue with the criminal justice system - you only get compounding problems. Junkies have fewer routes out once they've been introduced into the system that gives them a record and limits their future opportunities to earn.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:27 pmSo, let me get this straight. They went the liberal route and decriminalized which blew up in their face and now you suggest they double down on the liberal policy and legalize? And spare me the "that way they can tax like they do alcohol and tobacco" BS. So, they decriminalized and faced a huge social and death toll and somehow legalizing hard drugs will make all of that go away? Do you dream of colored rainbows at night?Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:10 pmNot decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
Seems like you're a republican or a libertarian wanting less government involvement. NeatGeist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:41 pmYou seem to be under the impression that keeping hard drugs illegal is somehow part of the solution, despite mountains of empirical data disproving the efficacy of prohibition. Do you also think that legalization will induce demand? You gonna go do H when it's legal, was it only the law stopping you? News flash, the legality of hard drugs has done nothing to quell the problem, because that's what happens when you try to address a mental health issue with the criminal justice system - you only get compounding problems. Junkies have fewer routes out once they've been introduced into the system that gives them a record and limits their future opportunities to earn.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:27 pmSo, let me get this straight. They went the liberal route and decriminalized which blew up in their face and now you suggest they double down on the liberal policy and legalize? And spare me the "that way they can tax like they do alcohol and tobacco" BS. So, they decriminalized and faced a huge social and death toll and somehow legalizing hard drugs will make all of that go away? Do you dream of colored rainbows at night?Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:10 pmNot decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
You know I believe a lot of people are convinced that Liberals are just stupid. I actually don't believe that's true. I just believe that they are born with some kind of defects in their brains. Some kind of DNA strand that got pinched off long long ago. It's the only explanation I have for a philosophy that demands that something like 90+% of the population (no matter the issues- take your pick) give up their societal norms and accommodate the tiny percentage of weak, mentally ill, unable to cope with reality population at the fringe of society. You can send that $500M to my bank account.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:08 pmOkay. I'm giving you $500,000,000 UJ bucks to produce and direct your own movie about the chaos that ensues the day after hard drugs are legalized in the US. Pitch me your idea.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:02 pmBelieve me, I've been around seems like forever watching the futility of the War on Drugs. The whole schedule 1 on pot my whole life is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. But it doesn't change the fact that the whole worldwide war on hard drugs that's been going on since forever has been happening for a reason. For the sake of society, you can't just have legalized hard drugs flowing through the system without the end result being total chaos. I'm sorry that a small percentage of the population has mental health/ addiction problems. It's been that way since human kind has existed. The problem is the liberal policies on this and many other issues. The vast majority of society is asked to ignore society norms and bend to a tiny percentage of the population. Sorry. Your "solution" will not solve anything in my opinion.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:41 pmYou seem to be under the impression that keeping hard drugs illegal is somehow part of the solution, despite mountains of imperial data disproving the efficacy of prohibition. Do you also think that legalization will induce demand? You gonna go do H when it's legal, was it only the law stopping you? News flash, the legality of hard drugs has done nothing to quell the problem, because that's what happens when you try to address a mental health issue with the criminal justice system - you only get compounding problems. Junkies have fewer routes out once they've been introduced into the system that gives them a record and limits their future opportunities to earn.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:27 pmSo, let me get this straight. They went the liberal route and decriminalized which blew up in their face and now you suggest they double down on the liberal policy and legalize? And spare me the "that way they can tax like they do alcohol and tobacco" BS. So, they decriminalized and faced a huge social and death toll and somehow legalizing hard drugs will make all of that go away? Do you dream of colored rainbows at night?Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:10 pmNot decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
I have a lot of libertarian beliefs. The one key difference between me and them is I recognize that labor is also a market.necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:30 pmSeems like you're a republican or a libertarian wanting less government involvement. NeatGeist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:41 pmYou seem to be under the impression that keeping hard drugs illegal is somehow part of the solution, despite mountains of empirical data disproving the efficacy of prohibition. Do you also think that legalization will induce demand? You gonna go do H when it's legal, was it only the law stopping you? News flash, the legality of hard drugs has done nothing to quell the problem, because that's what happens when you try to address a mental health issue with the criminal justice system - you only get compounding problems. Junkies have fewer routes out once they've been introduced into the system that gives them a record and limits their future opportunities to earn.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:27 pmSo, let me get this straight. They went the liberal route and decriminalized which blew up in their face and now you suggest they double down on the liberal policy and legalize? And spare me the "that way they can tax like they do alcohol and tobacco" BS. So, they decriminalized and faced a huge social and death toll and somehow legalizing hard drugs will make all of that go away? Do you dream of colored rainbows at night?Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:10 pmNot decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
Preachy and won't play well with the 16-35s. 2/10CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:35 pmYou know I believe a lot of people are convinced that Liberals are just stupid. I actually don't believe that's true. I just believe that they are born with some kind of defects in their brains. Some kind of DNA strand that got pinched off long long ago. It's the only explanation I have for a philosophy that demands that something like 90+% of the population (no matter the issues- take your pick) give up their societal norms and accommodate the tiny percentage of weak, mentally ill, unable to cope with reality population at the fringe of society. You can send that $500M to my bank account.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:08 pmOkay. I'm giving you $500,000,000 UJ bucks to produce and direct your own movie about the chaos that ensues the day after hard drugs are legalized in the US. Pitch me your idea.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:02 pmBelieve me, I've been around seems like forever watching the futility of the War on Drugs. The whole schedule 1 on pot my whole life is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. But it doesn't change the fact that the whole worldwide war on hard drugs that's been going on since forever has been happening for a reason. For the sake of society, you can't just have legalized hard drugs flowing through the system without the end result being total chaos. I'm sorry that a small percentage of the population has mental health/ addiction problems. It's been that way since human kind has existed. The problem is the liberal policies on this and many other issues. The vast majority of society is asked to ignore society norms and bend to a tiny percentage of the population. Sorry. Your "solution" will not solve anything in my opinion.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:41 pmYou seem to be under the impression that keeping hard drugs illegal is somehow part of the solution, despite mountains of imperial data disproving the efficacy of prohibition. Do you also think that legalization will induce demand? You gonna go do H when it's legal, was it only the law stopping you? News flash, the legality of hard drugs has done nothing to quell the problem, because that's what happens when you try to address a mental health issue with the criminal justice system - you only get compounding problems. Junkies have fewer routes out once they've been introduced into the system that gives them a record and limits their future opportunities to earn.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:27 pmSo, let me get this straight. They went the liberal route and decriminalized which blew up in their face and now you suggest they double down on the liberal policy and legalize? And spare me the "that way they can tax like they do alcohol and tobacco" BS. So, they decriminalized and faced a huge social and death toll and somehow legalizing hard drugs will make all of that go away? Do you dream of colored rainbows at night?Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:10 pm
Not decriminalizing. Legalizing. Treating a medical epidemic with the criminal justice system has been a demonstrable failure and is nothing but a racket propping up the industies profiteering from bad policy. And this can't be done effectively at the local level, it has to be national, otherwise you get exactly what's happening in Oregon where what's basically a sanctuary attracts anyone and everyone looking to partake, then you get these pockets of debauchery that are just waiting to go sideways.
Fortunately for society, wiser more experienced people actually run society. It seems the only time 18-35's actually vote is when they stumble into voting locations by accident thinking they are selling lottery tickets.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:43 pmPreachy and won't play well with the 16-35s. 2/10CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:35 pmYou know I believe a lot of people are convinced that Liberals are just stupid. I actually don't believe that's true. I just believe that they are born with some kind of defects in their brains. Some kind of DNA strand that got pinched off long long ago. It's the only explanation I have for a philosophy that demands that something like 90+% of the population (no matter the issues- take your pick) give up their societal norms and accommodate the tiny percentage of weak, mentally ill, unable to cope with reality population at the fringe of society. You can send that $500M to my bank account.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:08 pmOkay. I'm giving you $500,000,000 UJ bucks to produce and direct your own movie about the chaos that ensues the day after hard drugs are legalized in the US. Pitch me your idea.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:02 pmBelieve me, I've been around seems like forever watching the futility of the War on Drugs. The whole schedule 1 on pot my whole life is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. But it doesn't change the fact that the whole worldwide war on hard drugs that's been going on since forever has been happening for a reason. For the sake of society, you can't just have legalized hard drugs flowing through the system without the end result being total chaos. I'm sorry that a small percentage of the population has mental health/ addiction problems. It's been that way since human kind has existed. The problem is the liberal policies on this and many other issues. The vast majority of society is asked to ignore society norms and bend to a tiny percentage of the population. Sorry. Your "solution" will not solve anything in my opinion.Geist wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:41 pmYou seem to be under the impression that keeping hard drugs illegal is somehow part of the solution, despite mountains of imperial data disproving the efficacy of prohibition. Do you also think that legalization will induce demand? You gonna go do H when it's legal, was it only the law stopping you? News flash, the legality of hard drugs has done nothing to quell the problem, because that's what happens when you try to address a mental health issue with the criminal justice system - you only get compounding problems. Junkies have fewer routes out once they've been introduced into the system that gives them a record and limits their future opportunities to earn.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:27 pm
So, let me get this straight. They went the liberal route and decriminalized which blew up in their face and now you suggest they double down on the liberal policy and legalize? And spare me the "that way they can tax like they do alcohol and tobacco" BS. So, they decriminalized and faced a huge social and death toll and somehow legalizing hard drugs will make all of that go away? Do you dream of colored rainbows at night?