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CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:32 pm Since construction is everywhere now... I was driving home today and one of those asshats that think they are the merge police tried to "block" what they consider to be the "late mergers". He tried to take up both lanes with me approaching and it didnt go well for him. Too bad there was enough room for me to just go around him and proceed using all available lane space as intended.
Its not "cutting in" or being a jerk. Studies show its actually more efficient at moving traffic through a bottleneck.

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:50 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:32 pm Since construction is everywhere now... I was driving home today and one of those asshats that think they are the merge police tried to "block" what they consider to be the "late mergers". He tried to take up both lanes with me approaching and it didnt go well for him. Too bad there was enough room for me to just go around him and proceed using all available lane space as intended.
Its not "cutting in" or being a jerk. Studies show its actually more efficient at moving traffic through a bottleneck.

So, you are admitting that you are one of those assholes that can't stand to actually merge early in a civilized manner but have to rush onward to the end trying to mass push a merger causing a major disruption in the traffic flow?

Animal wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 1:22 pm I would submit that no matter what method is chosen for cars to enter a one lane merge, the end result of how long it takes for X number of cars to get through the merge and into the one lane is the exact same as long as the speed of the cars once in the one lane is the same.

Imagine you are pouring water through funnels and into a straw. If the water coming out of the straw is held at a constant velocity, then it doesn't matter what method you use to pour the water into the funnels.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 1:36 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:50 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:32 pm Since construction is everywhere now... I was driving home today and one of those asshats that think they are the merge police tried to "block" what they consider to be the "late mergers". He tried to take up both lanes with me approaching and it didnt go well for him. Too bad there was enough room for me to just go around him and proceed using all available lane space as intended.
Its not "cutting in" or being a jerk. Studies show its actually more efficient at moving traffic through a bottleneck.

So, you are admitting that you are one of those assholes that can't stand to actually merge early in a civilized manner but have to rush onward to the end trying to mass push a merger causing a major disruption in the traffic flow?

I admit that I am one of those guys that, as proven, utilizes all of the available roadway because it actually moves traffic through the bottleneck faster. Merging too early hurts traffic flow as it needlessly backs up a single lane of traffic while another usable lane is still available. Its not a difficult concept if everyone does it (like they should).
Seems to me you are the one admitting to being one of those assholes trying block a lane and causing unnecessary delays.

How the zipper merge can help beat bottlenecks—and be the polite thing to do
https://www.bcaa.com/blog/2019/communit ... ottlenecks

ITRE Studying How Zipper Merges Reduce Congestion at Sites Across North Carolina
https://itre.ncsu.edu/itre-studying-how ... -carolina/

How the Zipper Merge Helps Traffic Flow
https://amainsider.com/zipper-merge/

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 11:30 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 1:36 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:50 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:32 pm Since construction is everywhere now... I was driving home today and one of those asshats that think they are the merge police tried to "block" what they consider to be the "late mergers". He tried to take up both lanes with me approaching and it didnt go well for him. Too bad there was enough room for me to just go around him and proceed using all available lane space as intended.
Its not "cutting in" or being a jerk. Studies show its actually more efficient at moving traffic through a bottleneck.

So, you are admitting that you are one of those assholes that can't stand to actually merge early in a civilized manner but have to rush onward to the end trying to mass push a merger causing a major disruption in the traffic flow?

I admit that I am one of those guys that, as proven, utilizes all of the available roadway because it actually moves traffic through the bottleneck faster. Merging too early hurts traffic flow as it needlessly backs up a single lane of traffic while another usable lane is still available. Its not a difficult concept if everyone does it (like they should).
Seems to me you are the one admitting to being one of those assholes trying block a lane and causing unnecessary delays.

How the zipper merge can help beat bottlenecks—and be the polite thing to do
https://www.bcaa.com/blog/2019/communit ... ottlenecks

ITRE Studying How Zipper Merges Reduce Congestion at Sites Across North Carolina
https://itre.ncsu.edu/itre-studying-how ... -carolina/

How the Zipper Merge Helps Traffic Flow
https://amainsider.com/zipper-merge/

OK. Now I get a clear picture of the kind of driver you are. Seen it for decades. Medium heavy traffic and in my rear view mirror see somebody weaving through traffic, slamming on his brakes, stomping on the accelerator, blows past me. 10 miles later, hit a red
light and the guy's vehicle is 4 in front of me. All that for a 3 second lead over me. Maybe Mrs Cheezy can help relieve that driver tension.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:02 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 11:30 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 1:36 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:50 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:32 pm Since construction is everywhere now... I was driving home today and one of those asshats that think they are the merge police tried to "block" what they consider to be the "late mergers". He tried to take up both lanes with me approaching and it didnt go well for him. Too bad there was enough room for me to just go around him and proceed using all available lane space as intended.
Its not "cutting in" or being a jerk. Studies show its actually more efficient at moving traffic through a bottleneck.

So, you are admitting that you are one of those assholes that can't stand to actually merge early in a civilized manner but have to rush onward to the end trying to mass push a merger causing a major disruption in the traffic flow?

I admit that I am one of those guys that, as proven, utilizes all of the available roadway because it actually moves traffic through the bottleneck faster. Merging too early hurts traffic flow as it needlessly backs up a single lane of traffic while another usable lane is still available. Its not a difficult concept if everyone does it (like they should).
Seems to me you are the one admitting to being one of those assholes trying block a lane and causing unnecessary delays.

How the zipper merge can help beat bottlenecks—and be the polite thing to do
https://www.bcaa.com/blog/2019/communit ... ottlenecks

ITRE Studying How Zipper Merges Reduce Congestion at Sites Across North Carolina
https://itre.ncsu.edu/itre-studying-how ... -carolina/

How the Zipper Merge Helps Traffic Flow
https://amainsider.com/zipper-merge/

OK. Now I get a clear picture of the kind of driver you are. Seen it for decades. Medium heavy traffic and in my rear view mirror see somebody weaving through traffic, slamming on his brakes, stomping on the accelerator, blows past me. 10 miles later, hit a red
light and the guy's vehicle is 4 in front of me. All that for a 3 second lead over me. Maybe Mrs Cheezy can help relieve that driver tension.

This is why I do my best to never engage with you.

Animal wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 1:22 pm I would submit that no matter what method is chosen for cars to enter a one lane merge, the end result of how long it takes for X number of cars to get through the merge and into the one lane is the exact same as long as the speed of the cars once in the one lane is the same.

Imagine you are pouring water through funnels and into a straw. If the water coming out of the straw is held at a constant velocity, then it doesn't matter what method you use to pour the water into the funnels.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:09 am

Animal wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 1:22 pm I would submit that no matter what method is chosen for cars to enter a one lane merge, the end result of how long it takes for X number of cars to get through the merge and into the one lane is the exact same as long as the speed of the cars once in the one lane is the same.

Imagine you are pouring water through funnels and into a straw. If the water coming out of the straw is held at a constant velocity, then it doesn't matter what method you use to pour the water into the funnels.

When there is minimal traffic early merging still works fine. As soon as traffic starts to get heavy though is where the early mergers fuck things up as they are now creating a longer single lane that by definition will increase the length of the backup and cause more stoppages instead of utilizing all available lane space and taking turns at the end.

"Michigan and Minnesota are among several states that have implemented the zipper merge and have decreased the length of backups to create safer, smoother driving conditions. At one zipper merge site in Michigan, the congestion area was reduced from 6 miles to 3 miles and the time spent in traffic was decreased dramatically, saving drivers an average of 15 to 25 minutes."

Animal wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 1:10 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:09 am

Animal wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 1:22 pm I would submit that no matter what method is chosen for cars to enter a one lane merge, the end result of how long it takes for X number of cars to get through the merge and into the one lane is the exact same as long as the speed of the cars once in the one lane is the same.

Imagine you are pouring water through funnels and into a straw. If the water coming out of the straw is held at a constant velocity, then it doesn't matter what method you use to pour the water into the funnels.

When there is minimal traffic early merging still works fine. As soon as traffic starts to get heavy though is where the early mergers fuck things up as they are now creating a longer single lane that by definition will increase the length of the backup and cause more stoppages instead of utilizing all available lane space and taking turns at the end.

"Michigan and Minnesota are among several states that have implemented the zipper merge and have decreased the length of backups to create safer, smoother driving conditions. At one zipper merge site in Michigan, the congestion area was reduced from 6 miles to 3 miles and the time spent in traffic was decreased dramatically, saving drivers an average of 15 to 25 minutes."

i will admit that a well choreographed and organized solution would improve the situation. Like a marching band performing some complicated maneuver at half time. But, between people texting, talking on their phones, listening to the radio or being impatient, i'm not sure how that pans out in reality, though. I think most of the problem involves the combination of the rushed drivers that make quick moves and the timid drivers that are afraid they will get run into by someone. those two things just don't mix well

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 1:47 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 1:10 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:09 am

Animal wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 1:22 pm I would submit that no matter what method is chosen for cars to enter a one lane merge, the end result of how long it takes for X number of cars to get through the merge and into the one lane is the exact same as long as the speed of the cars once in the one lane is the same.

Imagine you are pouring water through funnels and into a straw. If the water coming out of the straw is held at a constant velocity, then it doesn't matter what method you use to pour the water into the funnels.

When there is minimal traffic early merging still works fine. As soon as traffic starts to get heavy though is where the early mergers fuck things up as they are now creating a longer single lane that by definition will increase the length of the backup and cause more stoppages instead of utilizing all available lane space and taking turns at the end.

"Michigan and Minnesota are among several states that have implemented the zipper merge and have decreased the length of backups to create safer, smoother driving conditions. At one zipper merge site in Michigan, the congestion area was reduced from 6 miles to 3 miles and the time spent in traffic was decreased dramatically, saving drivers an average of 15 to 25 minutes."

i will admit that a well choreographed and organized solution would improve the situation. Like a marching band performing some complicated maneuver at half time. But, between people texting, talking on their phones, listening to the radio or being impatient, i'm not sure how that pans out in reality, though. I think most of the problem involves the combination of the rushed drivers that make quick moves and the timid drivers that are afraid they will get run into by someone. those two things just don't mix well

Yes. The studies Chezzy posted are all fine and dandy, but they don't take into account the human element. I've seen Zipper set-ups turn into complete clusterfucks because... PEOPLE!!!

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average human driver.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 2:05 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 1:47 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 1:10 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:09 am

Animal wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 1:22 pm I would submit that no matter what method is chosen for cars to enter a one lane merge, the end result of how long it takes for X number of cars to get through the merge and into the one lane is the exact same as long as the speed of the cars once in the one lane is the same.

Imagine you are pouring water through funnels and into a straw. If the water coming out of the straw is held at a constant velocity, then it doesn't matter what method you use to pour the water into the funnels.

When there is minimal traffic early merging still works fine. As soon as traffic starts to get heavy though is where the early mergers fuck things up as they are now creating a longer single lane that by definition will increase the length of the backup and cause more stoppages instead of utilizing all available lane space and taking turns at the end.

"Michigan and Minnesota are among several states that have implemented the zipper merge and have decreased the length of backups to create safer, smoother driving conditions. At one zipper merge site in Michigan, the congestion area was reduced from 6 miles to 3 miles and the time spent in traffic was decreased dramatically, saving drivers an average of 15 to 25 minutes."

i will admit that a well choreographed and organized solution would improve the situation. Like a marching band performing some complicated maneuver at half time. But, between people texting, talking on their phones, listening to the radio or being impatient, i'm not sure how that pans out in reality, though. I think most of the problem involves the combination of the rushed drivers that make quick moves and the timid drivers that are afraid they will get run into by someone. those two things just don't mix well

Yes. The studies Chezzy posted are all fine and dandy, but they don't take into account the human element. I've seen Zipper set-ups turn into complete clusterfucks because... PEOPLE!!!

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average human driver.

Yes and yes.
The problem with the zipper merge is that it completely relies on people doing the right thing. Its a wonderful thing when its done right but I cant deny that it rarely happens.

necronomous wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:24 pm The problem with the zipper merge is that it completely relies on people doing the right thing. Its a wonderful thing when its done right but then you have idiot fucking moronic CDC types.

Ftfy

hawkfan8812 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:50 pm I-90 and Hwy 18 interchange in King County WA is putting in one of those diamond things as we speak. I am interested to see how it works when done, because that area is TERRIBLE during rush hour, in a county that is terrible in general.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:32 pm Since construction is everywhere now... I was driving home today and one of those asshats that think they are the merge police tried to "block" what they consider to be the "late mergers". He tried to take up both lanes with me approaching and it didnt go well for him. Too bad there was enough room for me to just go around him and proceed using all available lane space as intended.
Its not "cutting in" or being a jerk. Studies show its actually more efficient at moving traffic through a bottleneck.

QillerDaemon wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:40 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:24 pm The problem with the zipper merge is that it completely relies on people doing the right thing. Its a wonderful thing when its done right but then you have idiot fucking moronic CDC types.

Ftfy

It's almost exactly like the growing movement with traffic circles. It's a really great idea for making traffic move. Until one single person screws up the whole system due either to stupidity or ignorance or even sometimes malfeasance.

The next new "idea" is the diverging diamond interchange, swapping temporarily the lane positions. Great idea, until one ignoramus gets it all wrong and messes up all the other drivers.
https://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/20 ... d-to-know/

Biker wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 4:42 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:32 pm Since construction is everywhere now... I was driving home today and one of those asshats that think they are the merge police tried to "block" what they consider to be the "late mergers". He tried to take up both lanes with me approaching and it didnt go well for him. Too bad there was enough room for me to just go around him and proceed using all available lane space as intended.
Its not "cutting in" or being a jerk. Studies show its actually more efficient at moving traffic through a bottleneck.

Huh, never thought you'd be one of those people.

BTW, I'm a blocker

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 5:04 pm

Biker wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 4:42 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:32 pm Since construction is everywhere now... I was driving home today and one of those asshats that think they are the merge police tried to "block" what they consider to be the "late mergers". He tried to take up both lanes with me approaching and it didnt go well for him. Too bad there was enough room for me to just go around him and proceed using all available lane space as intended.
Its not "cutting in" or being a jerk. Studies show its actually more efficient at moving traffic through a bottleneck.

Huh, never thought you'd be one of those people.

BTW, I'm a blocker

Whats your beef with the zipper methodology?

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 5:04 pm

Biker wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 4:42 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:32 pm Since construction is everywhere now... I was driving home today and one of those asshats that think they are the merge police tried to "block" what they consider to be the "late mergers". He tried to take up both lanes with me approaching and it didnt go well for him. Too bad there was enough room for me to just go around him and proceed using all available lane space as intended.
Its not "cutting in" or being a jerk. Studies show its actually more efficient at moving traffic through a bottleneck.

Huh, never thought you'd be one of those people.

BTW, I'm a blocker

Whats your beef with the zipper methodology?

hawkfan8812 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:50 pm I-90 and Hwy 18 interchange in King County WA is putting in one of those diamond things as we speak. I am interested to see how it works when done, because that area is TERRIBLE during rush hour, in a county that is terrible in general.

QillerDaemon wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:40 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:24 pm The problem with the zipper merge is that it completely relies on people doing the right thing. Its a wonderful thing when its done right but then you have idiot fucking moronic CDC types.

Ftfy

It's almost exactly like the growing movement with traffic circles. It's a really great idea for making traffic move. Until one single person screws up the whole system due either to stupidity or ignorance or even sometimes malfeasance.

The next new "idea" is the diverging diamond interchange, swapping temporarily the lane positions. Great idea, until one ignoramus gets it all wrong and messes up all the other drivers.
https://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/20 ... d-to-know/