Another fake hate crime

[CHEEZY17]

Expect more to follow. With the far Left the ends justify the means. "So we made some shit up. That pales in comparison to our very real struggle."

[AnalHamster]

So I guess the talking point is going to be the Dylann Roof Effect? You obsess over every fake report and try to create the impression there are no real ones.

[CHEEZY17]

Who said there are no real ones? Of course there are.
And there will be fake ones as well. The fake ones need to be called out, publicly shamed and mocked because they are the ones themselves hurting their cause. Place the blame where it lies.

[AnalHamster]

Who said there are no real ones? Of course there are.
And there will be fake ones as well. The fake ones need to be called out, publicly shamed and mocked because they are the ones themselves hurting their cause. Place the blame where it lies.

What cause? Someone who is a victim of a genuine hate crime is a crime victim, it's not generally a political position. Do you think the cause of gay rights, or not lynching gay black people or whatever is actually set back if a campaigner fakes a crime? I don't see it.

Biker and his ilk are going to go out of their way to publicise every false report they can find, never mentioning any real ones. The aim is not to call out the fairly obscure problem of false reporting, it's to create the impression that it's all a librul conspiracy. That just how they do, yo.

[VinceBordenIII]

I can see his nipples.

[VinceBordenIII]

Problem with hate crimes is, who says what’s a hate crime? Which crimes are just crimes? If some dude is beating the shit out of you calling you a white motherfucker, or a spic, chink, whatever, is that a hate crime? Or are we basing it more on the race/sex/creed of the perpetrator?

[AnalHamster]

Problem with hate crimes is, who says what’s a hate crime? Which crimes are just crimes? If some dude is beating the shit out of you calling you a white motherfucker, or a spic, chink, whatever, is that a hate crime? Or are we basing it more on the race/sex/creed of the perpetrator?

Statute defines them, prosecutors identify them, a judge and jury have to concur with that assessment. It's pretty straightforward really.

[VinceBordenIII]

Problem with hate crimes is, who says what’s a hate crime? Which crimes are just crimes? If some dude is beating the shit out of you calling you a white motherfucker, or a spic, chink, whatever, is that a hate crime? Or are we basing it more on the race/sex/creed of the perpetrator?

Statute defines them, prosecutors identify them, a judge and jury have to concur with that assessment. It's pretty straightforward really.

If I get my MAGA hat knocked off my head, is that a hate crime?

[AnalHamster]

Problem with hate crimes is, who says what’s a hate crime? Which crimes are just crimes? If some dude is beating the shit out of you calling you a white motherfucker, or a spic, chink, whatever, is that a hate crime? Or are we basing it more on the race/sex/creed of the perpetrator?

Statute defines them, prosecutors identify them, a judge and jury have to concur with that assessment. It's pretty straightforward really.

If I get my MAGA hat knocked off my head, is that a hate crime?

Nope, statute. Wearing a moron hat doesn't place you in a protected group.

[VinceBordenIII]

Problem with hate crimes is, who says what’s a hate crime? Which crimes are just crimes? If some dude is beating the shit out of you calling you a white motherfucker, or a spic, chink, whatever, is that a hate crime? Or are we basing it more on the race/sex/creed of the perpetrator?

Statute defines them, prosecutors identify them, a judge and jury have to concur with that assessment. It's pretty straightforward really.

If I get my MAGA hat knocked off my head, is that a hate crime?

Nope, statute. Wearing a moron hat doesn't place you in a protected group.

There’s the rub.

[VinceBordenIII]

How do I get on one of these protected groups lists? Is there a petition process?

[AnalHamster]

Problem with hate crimes is, who says what’s a hate crime? Which crimes are just crimes? If some dude is beating the shit out of you calling you a white motherfucker, or a spic, chink, whatever, is that a hate crime? Or are we basing it more on the race/sex/creed of the perpetrator?

Statute defines them, prosecutors identify them, a judge and jury have to concur with that assessment. It's pretty straightforward really.

If I get my MAGA hat knocked off my head, is that a hate crime?

Nope, statute. Wearing a moron hat doesn't place you in a protected group.

There’s the rub.

Nope, still fairly straightforward. Protected classes got the extra protection because of things like being stoned to death and lynched due to clearly definable group characteristicss like their sexuality or race, not because they got their hats knocked off. You're trying to make out like this is some impossible to navigate grey area, but it actually isn't. The law is clear, the reasons behind the law are clear, enforcement of the law requires a judge and jury to apply it. If there were actually an epidemic of serious crimes against MAGA hats, then perhaps political affiliation could be considered for the additional protections, at which point again there would be a clear statute with a criminal trial necessary to enforce it. But there ain't. You never know, a few far right cons have been arrested lately for targeting people over politics so it could happen. But for now if some big scary librul knocks your hat off, regular old assault laws have you covered.

My view is a hate crime motive should be covered simply by sentencing guidelines and judicial discretion, but the argument that it shouldn't be considered because the law is too vague is just not true.

[AnalHamster]

How do I get on one of these protected groups lists? Is there a petition process?

Get dragged behind a pickup, then burnt to death.

[Antknot]

Expect more to follow. With the far Left the ends justify the means. "So we made some shit up. That pales in comparison to our very real struggle."

Was it Rolling Stone that said something very similar when a rape story they ran turned out to be a fake?

[Antknot]

Who said there are no real ones? Of course there are.
And there will be fake ones as well. The fake ones need to be called out, publicly shamed and mocked because they are the ones themselves hurting their cause. Place the blame where it lies.

What cause? Someone who is a victim of a genuine hate crime is a crime victim, it's not generally a political position. Do you think the cause of gay rights, or not lynching gay black people or whatever is actually set back if a campaigner fakes a crime? I don't see it.

Biker and his ilk are going to go out of their way to publicise every false report they can find, never mentioning any real ones. The aim is not to call out the fairly obscure problem of false reporting, it's to create the impression that it's all a librul conspiracy. That just how they do, yo.

No, we realize that every fake crime affects multiple groups. 1 Those who suffered real attacks who now are less likely to be believed. 2. Those who suffered a crime of any sort who had less investigative resources because they were consumed by a false claim. 3. The investigators who's time could be spent on a real crime. 4. The falsely accused.

[Burn1dwn]

It's bad manners to wear hats inside. Everyone knows that.

[VinceBordenIII]

How do I get on one of these protected groups lists? Is there a petition process?

Get dragged behind a pickup, then burnt to death.

I don’t think that’s what “protected class” means. You are protected because of your race, not because you are a particular race. The question then becomes, who does this calculation? Are the laws being applied evenhandedly?

[AnalHamster]

Who said there are no real ones? Of course there are.
And there will be fake ones as well. The fake ones need to be called out, publicly shamed and mocked because they are the ones themselves hurting their cause. Place the blame where it lies.

What cause? Someone who is a victim of a genuine hate crime is a crime victim, it's not generally a political position. Do you think the cause of gay rights, or not lynching gay black people or whatever is actually set back if a campaigner fakes a crime? I don't see it.

Biker and his ilk are going to go out of their way to publicise every false report they can find, never mentioning any real ones. The aim is not to call out the fairly obscure problem of false reporting, it's to create the impression that it's all a librul conspiracy. That just how they do, yo.

No, we realize that every fake crime affects multiple groups. 1 Those who suffered real attacks who now are less likely to be believed. 2. Those who suffered a crime of any sort who had less investigative resources because they were consumed by a false claim. 3. The investigators who's time could be spent on a real crime. 4. The falsely accused.

None of that stands up. It's not like there's an epidemic of fake hate crimes, investigative resources are not being stretched by this any more than there's a border emergency needing a wall. I'm no more or less likely to believe someone who reports a crime, I doubt anyone is who was not inclined to doubt anything reported as a hate crime in the first place. Why would you be if you can grasp that there are both real and fake reports of this and every other crime?

[AnalHamster]

How do I get on one of these protected groups lists? Is there a petition process?

Get dragged behind a pickup, then burnt to death.

I don’t think that’s what “protected class” means. You are protected because of your race, not because you are a particular race. The question then becomes, who does this calculation? Are the laws being applied evenhandedly?

You asked how protected classes got identified for special protections in the first place, not what protected class means. Stop playing dumb. Protected classes recognise group characteristics that have long histories of motivating attacks causing severe injury and death, and you trying to claim a hat getting knocked off is the same thing as that just makes you look silly.

Race is a protected class, there are enhanced penalties if you attack someone and it can be proven that you were motivated by race. What you are 'protected from' is being attacked by a racist for racist reasons. As I already patiently explained to you, police investigate, prosecutors make that calculation based on the evidence, which then gets tested by a judge and jury.

And yes, the law is applied even handedly. Presumably you're in the white man victim camp? It's a myth.

Of the 6,370 known offenders:

50.7% were White
21.3% were Black or African American
19.1% race unknown

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate ... statistics

[VinceBordenIII]

How do I get on one of these protected groups lists? Is there a petition process?

Get dragged behind a pickup, then burnt to death.

I don’t think that’s what “protected class” means. You are protected because of your race, not because you are a particular race. The question then becomes, who does this calculation? Are the laws being applied evenhandedly?

You asked how protected classes got identified for special protections in the first place, not what protected class means. Stop playing dumb. Protected classes recognise group characteristics that have long histories of motivating attacks causing severe injury and death, and you trying to claim a hat getting knocked off is the same thing as that just makes you look silly.

Race is a protected class, there are enhanced penalties if you attack someone and it can be proven that you were motivated by race. What you are 'protected from' is being attacked by a racist for racist reasons. As I already patiently explained to you, police investigate, prosecutors make that calculation based on the evidence, which then gets tested by a judge and jury.

And yes, the law is applied even handedly. Presumably you're in the white man victim camp? It's a myth.

Of the 6,370 known offenders:

50.7% were White
21.3% were Black or African American
19.1% race unknown

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate ... statistics

Enough with the “stop playing dumb” and “makes you look silly” nonsense. That’s a tactic, not an argument. An old sfw tactic, in fact. Unfortunately, I am on an iPad and can’t cut and paste very easily, so I’ll have to rely on my quoting you.
You do not “patiently explain” to others. You assert. I can”patiently explain” that the moon is made of green cheese. It is not.
The known offenders, as you list them, are charged by people. Not machines. You can no more say the law is applied even handedly than can anyone else.
Hate crimes law is bad law. I am simply pointing this out.
As you said before, the time to consider hate motivation is during sentencing.

[AnalHamster]

How do I get on one of these protected groups lists? Is there a petition process?

Get dragged behind a pickup, then burnt to death.

I don’t think that’s what “protected class” means. You are protected because of your race, not because you are a particular race. The question then becomes, who does this calculation? Are the laws being applied evenhandedly?

You asked how protected classes got identified for special protections in the first place, not what protected class means. Stop playing dumb. Protected classes recognise group characteristics that have long histories of motivating attacks causing severe injury and death, and you trying to claim a hat getting knocked off is the same thing as that just makes you look silly.

Race is a protected class, there are enhanced penalties if you attack someone and it can be proven that you were motivated by race. What you are 'protected from' is being attacked by a racist for racist reasons. As I already patiently explained to you, police investigate, prosecutors make that calculation based on the evidence, which then gets tested by a judge and jury.

And yes, the law is applied even handedly. Presumably you're in the white man victim camp? It's a myth.

Of the 6,370 known offenders:

50.7% were White
21.3% were Black or African American
19.1% race unknown

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate ... statistics

Enough with the “stop playing dumb” and “makes you look silly” nonsense. That’s a tactic, not an argument. An old sfw tactic, in fact. Unfortunately, I am on an iPad and can’t cut and paste very easily, so I’ll have to rely on my quoting you.
You do not “patiently explain” to others. You assert. I can”patiently explain” that the moon is made of green cheese. It is not.
The known offenders, as you list them, are charged by people. Not machines. You can no more say the law is applied even handedly than can anyone else.
Hate crimes law is bad law. I am simply pointing this out.
As you said before, the time to consider hate motivation is during sentencing.

Do you think someone getting their hat knocked off is the equivalent to a campaign of murder and intimidation by the KKK? Clearly the answer is no. Stop saying dumb stuff if you don't want to be called on it. I have in fact patiently explained why protected classes have been recognised as such and how the law is applied. The stats show that if it is being applied unevenly, the bias is not against white folks but for them, as it is throughout the criminal justice system.

Your argument that people are charged by people is not specific to hate crimes law, that's necessarily how all law is applied. I'd be interested to hear your alternative on that one. The argument you are making would therefore have to be that all law is bad law, which is foolish.

And you can't patiently explain the moon is made of cheese, since it isn't and you have no explanation to present. That would be an assertion. Not sure you grasp the difference there.

[AnalHamster]

Yes, that's what I said. Kinda takes a shit on the narrative of the white man being a victim of librul overreach don't it.

[AnalHamster]

Yes, that's what I said. Kinda takes a shit on the narrative of the white man being a victim of librul overreach don't it.

Perhaps, but it depends on the narrative. If we are to believe the MSM narrative that its mostly hate filled whites going round looking for a darkie to assault, then the stats go against that grain. Kinda like the 'hands up, dont shoot' hoax that they pushed

You declare what the msm narrative is based on commentary from the rightie bubble about what it is. You're misinformed.

[AnalHamster]

Do you think black folk get a fair shake in the USA and it's the poor white man being victimised? The whole black lives matter thing is actually real.

So I guess the talking point is going to be the Dylann Roof Effect? You obsess over every fake report and try to create the impression there are no real ones.

Your propaganda is very consistent I love to be buttfucked.

[AnalHamster]

Do you think black folk get a fair shake in the USA and it's the poor white man being victimised? The whole black lives matter thing is actually real.

So I guess the talking point is going to be the Dylann Roof Effect? You obsess over every fake report and try to create the impression there are no real ones.

Your propaganda is very consistent I love to be buttfucked.

Shifting the goalposts now? OK

No, I believe there is bias, both implicit and explicit. Do I think there is a narrative the MSM is trying to push regarding hate crimes/police shooting? Damn right they are

How is pointing out your tactic is identical on hate crimes and police state violence against black people shifting the goalposts?

Reality is the narrative, you're trying to distort it through the dylann roof effect.