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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Antknot wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:20 am
You don't think guaranteed government sales allowed them to get favorable loans? Thus allowing them to benefit from Warp SPeed?
He's just scared to death that Trump might end up with a check mark for something good.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Anyone been paying attention to the new discussion of 'vaccine passports' yet?

"Papers please." Coming to Country near you.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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“The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The border patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.”

President Chump.

Passports are "papers please" you fucking loser
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Antknot wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:20 am
Stapes wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:43 pm
Animal wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:30 pm
Stapes wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:28 am They got their funding from Germany not us.

We only have a contract with them for the first batch of 100 million doses

Under the arrangement, the federal government would obtain that first batch for $1.95 billion, or about $20 a dose, with the rights to acquire up to 500 million more, or 600 million total. Americans would receive the vaccine for free. Before it could be distributed, it would need emergency approval by the Food and Drug Administration. But the U.S. government does not pay the nearly $2 billion until the drug is approved and the first 100 million doses are delivered.
In July, Pfizer got a $1.95 billion deal with the government’s Operation Warp Speed, the multiagency effort to rush a vaccine to market, to deliver 100 million doses of the vaccine. The arrangement is an advance-purchase agreement, meaning that the company won’t get paid until they deliver the vaccines. Pfizer did not accept federal funding to help develop or manufacture the vaccine, unlike front-runners Moderna and AstraZeneca.

In an interview on Sunday, Kathrin Jansen, a senior vice president and the head of vaccine research and development at Pfizer, said, “We were never part of the Warp Speed,” adding, “we have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.”

On Monday, a spokeswoman for Pfizer clarified that the company is part of Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential coronavirus vaccine.

Although it’s true that Pfizer and BioNTech had been working on a vaccine all year before the companies struck their deal with the U.S. government in July, a $1.95 billion deal is nevertheless a significant incentive to keep going. In fact, international health organizations have long used such market guarantees to encourage for-profit manufacturers to supply vaccines to the developing world.

Its funny how scared Stapes is that Trump will get credit for these vaccines that might save the planet.

Was my post about pfizer being part of Warp speed? NO...... Was it about trump getting credit? NO

This is what my post was responding to you low information hack. I even Highlighted it so even the stupid people like you could see what I was referencing.

"you were probably busy googling everything about TRump and missed the news, but it turns out that Pfizer was IN FACT part of Operation Warp Speed and got quite a lot of $$$ from the US Government. They said they had no idea what that nut was talking about who put out that story."


Pfizer has received no money from the US government yet.

So your statement was incorrect AGAIN but you don't like being shown that your wrong so you have to move the goal posts as usual. For such a smart guy you have about a biker level of posting false information. You suck.
You don't think guaranteed government sales allowed them to get favorable loans? Thus allowing them to benefit from Warp SPeed?

What are you talking about? They got their money through the German government through their partner BioNTech at risk. An agreement for advance purchase has nothing to do with their Research and development of the vaccine..,,,,You think they were going to get paid if they weren't successful? ...the United States government had no hand or input into any of it. Go blow smoke up somebody elses ass
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Animal wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:22 am
Antknot wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:20 am
You don't think guaranteed government sales allowed them to get favorable loans? Thus allowing them to benefit from Warp SPeed?
He's just scared to death that Trump might end up with a check mark for something good.
I don't give a crap who gets credit for the Biden Vaccine.
I blame Biker.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Stapes wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:41 am
Animal wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:22 am
Antknot wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:20 am
You don't think guaranteed government sales allowed them to get favorable loans? Thus allowing them to benefit from Warp SPeed?
He's just scared to death that Trump might end up with a check mark for something good.
I don't give a crap who gets credit for the Biden Vaccine.
did you hear that President BIden just unveiled his Covid-19 Plan that starts the very minute he takes the oath of office. He's going to ask everyone to wear a mask for 100 days.

Finally. a plan.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:35 am “The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The border patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.”

President Chump.

Passports are "papers please" you fucking loser
I know, i know. Words are hard. Let me spell this out for you and see if you can understand what this means.

A 'vaccine passport' as being discussed, is a paper that you must carry and provide as proof that you have your covid vaccines up to date and without it you potentially can't do things, like attend a concert or board a plane.

(PS: I should point out that BOTH parties have been fine with doing the "papers please" for most this year already. Many cities and states have had people tossed in jail for being in public, open areas (that are not crowded) and because they don't have their "I'm essential" papers they go to jail.

A direct and very obvious violation of the 4th Amendment).
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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No 4th Amendment right to go to a concert or board a plane
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:51 am No 4th Amendment right to go to a concert or board a plane
Do you ever look up and realize how much of a limp dicked conformist you've become?
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Biker wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:55 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:51 am No 4th Amendment right to go to a concert or board a plane
Do you ever look up and realize how much of a limp dicked conformist you've become?
Shut up lying dog, my statement is correct
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Cassandros wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:48 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:35 am “The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The border patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.”

President Chump.

Passports are "papers please" you fucking loser
I know, i know. Words are hard. Let me spell this out for you and see if you can understand what this means.

A 'vaccine passport' as being discussed, is a paper that you must carry and provide as proof that you have your covid vaccines up to date and without it you potentially can't do things, like attend a concert or board a plane.

(PS: I should point out that BOTH parties have been fine with doing the "papers please" for most this year already. Many cities and states have had people tossed in jail for being in public, open areas (that are not crowded) and because they don't have their "I'm essential" papers they go to jail.

A direct and very obvious violation of the 4th Amendment).

I could see something on your actual passport for international air travel but I seriously doubt a "vaccine passport" is going to get much traction anywhere but the right wing whacko conspiracy media.....they love that shit.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:58 am
Biker wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:55 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:51 am No 4th Amendment right to go to a concert or board a plane
Do you ever look up and realize how much of a limp dicked conformist you've become?
Shut up lying dog, my statement is correct
So is that a yes? Youre a disgrace when you gleefully go along with clearly unconstitutional edicts from unelected officials. The children of the future will spit on your grave for being a groveling, conformist shmuck
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Biker wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:00 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:58 am
Biker wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:55 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:51 am No 4th Amendment right to go to a concert or board a plane
Do you ever look up and realize how much of a limp dicked conformist you've become?
Shut up lying dog, my statement is correct
So is that a yes? Youre a disgrace when you gleefully go along with clearly unconstitutional edicts from unelected officials. The children of the future will spit on your grave for being a groveling, conformist shmuck
Nobody cares what a lying sack of shit like you thinks.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Biker wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:55 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:51 am No 4th Amendment right to go to a concert or board a plane
Do you ever look up and realize how much of a limp dicked conformist you've become?
his political party is run by nothing but women. what do you expect?
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:58 am
Biker wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:55 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:51 am No 4th Amendment right to go to a concert or board a plane
Do you ever look up and realize how much of a limp dicked conformist you've become?
Shut up lying dog, my statement is correct
It really isn't.

More so, as usual, you are willfully blind to the bigger picture, and the dangers this discussion presents.

Especially to any society that deems itself "free".
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EEEEEEK I'm not allowed to willfully endanger other people! I'M NOT FREE!!!!
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Stapes wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:59 am
Cassandros wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:48 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:35 am “The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The border patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.”

President Chump.

Passports are "papers please" you fucking loser
I know, i know. Words are hard. Let me spell this out for you and see if you can understand what this means.

A 'vaccine passport' as being discussed, is a paper that you must carry and provide as proof that you have your covid vaccines up to date and without it you potentially can't do things, like attend a concert or board a plane.

(PS: I should point out that BOTH parties have been fine with doing the "papers please" for most this year already. Many cities and states have had people tossed in jail for being in public, open areas (that are not crowded) and because they don't have their "I'm essential" papers they go to jail.

A direct and very obvious violation of the 4th Amendment).

I could see something on your actual passport for international air travel but I seriously doubt a "vaccine passport" is going to get much traction anywhere but the right wing whacko conspiracy media.....they love that shit.
So Today is a "wacko conspiracy media" now?

LOL!

I think if you didn't rely on such filtered media, you might have an actual clue on what's going on in the world...

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CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:36 am EEEEEEK I'm not allowed to willfully endanger other people! I'M NOT FREE!!!!
I hope you realize that this is you. Sad!

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CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:36 am EEEEEEK I'm not allowed to willfully endanger other people! I'M NOT FREE!!!!
This literal makes no sense to the topic of enforcing a 'vaccine passport'.

Care to try again, or is "adulting" too hard for you today?
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Cassandros wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:38 am
Stapes wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:59 am
Cassandros wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:48 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:35 am “The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The border patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.”

President Chump.

Passports are "papers please" you fucking loser
I know, i know. Words are hard. Let me spell this out for you and see if you can understand what this means.

A 'vaccine passport' as being discussed, is a paper that you must carry and provide as proof that you have your covid vaccines up to date and without it you potentially can't do things, like attend a concert or board a plane.

(PS: I should point out that BOTH parties have been fine with doing the "papers please" for most this year already. Many cities and states have had people tossed in jail for being in public, open areas (that are not crowded) and because they don't have their "I'm essential" papers they go to jail.

A direct and very obvious violation of the 4th Amendment).

I could see something on your actual passport for international air travel but I seriously doubt a "vaccine passport" is going to get much traction anywhere but the right wing whacko conspiracy media.....they love that shit.
So Today is a "wacko conspiracy media" now?

LOL!

I think if you didn't rely on such filtered media, you might have an actual clue on what's going on in the world...


What part of I dont think it will get any traction didnt you understand? Just because there is talk about certain scenarios doesnt mean it will go anywhere... But the right wing whack jobs will grab onto little nuggets like this and see the gestapo behind every bush to ask for your papers, take your r guns and make you stop saying Merry Christmas. This is what they live for...... You should know... You're one of them.
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Cassandros wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:47 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:36 am EEEEEEK I'm not allowed to willfully endanger other people! I'M NOT FREE!!!!
This literal makes no sense to the topic of enforcing a 'vaccine passport'.

Care to try again, or is "adulting" too hard for you today?
i think what he means is that this isn't really the same thing as just a basic freedom of doing what you want. in this situation, you "might" be infected with a deadly virus and not know it and they are betting that a vaccine (or proof of one) would insure that you are safe and not infectuous. Sort of like having you walk through a metal detector before getting on a plane.

i'm guessing, though.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Stapes wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:51 am
Cassandros wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:38 am
Stapes wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:59 am
Cassandros wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:48 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:35 am “The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The border patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.”

President Chump.

Passports are "papers please" you fucking loser
I know, i know. Words are hard. Let me spell this out for you and see if you can understand what this means.

A 'vaccine passport' as being discussed, is a paper that you must carry and provide as proof that you have your covid vaccines up to date and without it you potentially can't do things, like attend a concert or board a plane.

(PS: I should point out that BOTH parties have been fine with doing the "papers please" for most this year already. Many cities and states have had people tossed in jail for being in public, open areas (that are not crowded) and because they don't have their "I'm essential" papers they go to jail.

A direct and very obvious violation of the 4th Amendment).

I could see something on your actual passport for international air travel but I seriously doubt a "vaccine passport" is going to get much traction anywhere but the right wing whacko conspiracy media.....they love that shit.
So Today is a "wacko conspiracy media" now?

LOL!

I think if you didn't rely on such filtered media, you might have an actual clue on what's going on in the world...


What part of I dont think it will get any traction didnt you understand? Just because there is talk about certain scenarios doesnt mean it will go anywhere... But the right wing whack jobs will grab onto little nuggets like this and see the gestapo behind every bush to ask for your papers, take yoir guns and make you stop saying Merry Christmas. This is what they live for...... You should know... You're one of them.
And I hope you are right. Because this is a very, very dangerous discussion.

Another important issue you have exposed is: me raising the concern and pointing out real issues with this discussion is met by you with contempt. Like this is some alex jones "wacko conspiracy".

Its not. The discussion has been around for a while, but as the actual vaccine inches closer the chatter has increased. Ignore it at your own peril.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Cassandros wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:58 am
Stapes wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:51 am
Cassandros wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:38 am
Stapes wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:59 am
Cassandros wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:48 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:35 am “The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The border patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.”

President Chump.

Passports are "papers please" you fucking loser
I know, i know. Words are hard. Let me spell this out for you and see if you can understand what this means.

A 'vaccine passport' as being discussed, is a paper that you must carry and provide as proof that you have your covid vaccines up to date and without it you potentially can't do things, like attend a concert or board a plane.

(PS: I should point out that BOTH parties have been fine with doing the "papers please" for most this year already. Many cities and states have had people tossed in jail for being in public, open areas (that are not crowded) and because they don't have their "I'm essential" papers they go to jail.

A direct and very obvious violation of the 4th Amendment).

I could see something on your actual passport for international air travel but I seriously doubt a "vaccine passport" is going to get much traction anywhere but the right wing whacko conspiracy media.....they love that shit.
So Today is a "wacko conspiracy media" now?

LOL!

I think if you didn't rely on such filtered media, you might have an actual clue on what's going on in the world...


What part of I dont think it will get any traction didnt you understand? Just because there is talk about certain scenarios doesnt mean it will go anywhere... But the right wing whack jobs will grab onto little nuggets like this and see the gestapo behind every bush to ask for your papers, take yoir guns and make you stop saying Merry Christmas. This is what they live for...... You should know... You're one of them.
And I hope you are right. Because this is a very, very dangerous discussion.

Another important issue you have exposed is: me raising the concern and pointing out real issues with this discussion is met by you with contempt. Like this is some alex jones "wacko conspiracy".

Its not. The discussion has been around for a while, but as the actual vaccine inches closer the chatter has increased. Ignore it at your own peril.

Here is a promise from Uncle Stapes. When you want to go to the movies to see Mulan or a Taylor Swift concert nobody is going to ask for your vaccine papers. That is my 100% guaranteed promise.

If you want to fly to Germany or Bukakistan.....they MAY make you get a vaccine stamp in the future.

If this country has any brains they might want to start making visitors from other countries show proof of vaccination when this shit rolls out. Don't have one? Stay fucking home.
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Re: Wuhan Coronavirus

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Animal wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:52 am
Cassandros wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:47 am
CaptQuint wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:36 am EEEEEEK I'm not allowed to willfully endanger other people! I'M NOT FREE!!!!
This literal makes no sense to the topic of enforcing a 'vaccine passport'.

Care to try again, or is "adulting" too hard for you today?
i think what he means is that this isn't really the same thing as just a basic freedom of doing what you want. in this situation, you "might" be infected with a deadly virus and not know it and they are betting that a vaccine (or proof of one) would insure that you are safe and not infectuous. Sort of like having you walk through a metal detector before getting on a plane.

i'm guessing, though.
I doubt it was, but it might be now that you helped him along. lol

Naturally the obvious counter thought is: vaccines are never 100%, there are cases of vaccines spreading disease, and the principle idea of a vaccine is to protect the person getting it. Not those around them. (Also, I personally have a real hard time calling a virus with a less than 1% fatality rate "deadly". Ebola is deadly. Covid might be dangerous to some, but its not inherently deadly. But I digress).

If you fear covid (or the flu, or whatever disease there is a vaccine for) you get the vaccine and hope the side effects aren't worse than the disease you are trying to protect against. How in the hell does preventing people from participating in social events or traveling if they are not vaccinated to the level the government/business decides make any one else there "safe"?

It doesn't.
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