So, was it a lab leak or nah?

[CHEEZY17]

Capt Stapes thinks it reasonable. Hammy bailed out from that argument last week though

There is no argument, it's an evidence free conspiracy theory. If you can produce any actual evidence we can discuss that, it's just a waste of time trying to argue with conspiracy theorists. There's always another layer of the conspiracy to explain a claim being shot down.

This is basically why I'm not posting here much anymore, we just don't discuss policy or politics anymore. 99% of discussion here is trying to get you crazy loonies to admit what reality is. If you can't agree what facts are then you simply can't have a discussion based on them. Y'all bent reality so far apologising for Trump that you just don't know what it is anymore. If the world doesn't fit your belief system then the world is fake noos. I just don't have much interest in trying to communicate with people of that mindset.

Horseshit.

The evidence that is leaking all points to a lab manipulated virus. All of it. You have zero evidence that it came from the wet market except that China says so. Thats it. Thats all you have and yet the facts speak to it being a lab leak and you call it a conspiracy theory. Sorry chief, you lost this one. Take it like a grown man and accept it

What evidence? There has been no new evidence..... Just your wacky non-peer reviewed hoakum from nobodies

OK, cool. Sounds like you and Hammy have all kinds of REAL non-wacky peer reviewed evidence to support your claim that it came from a wet-market then. Lets see it. Put us in our place. We'll wait, go ahead.

[Biker]

Capt Stapes thinks it reasonable. Hammy bailed out from that argument last week though

There is no argument, it's an evidence free conspiracy theory. If you can produce any actual evidence we can discuss that, it's just a waste of time trying to argue with conspiracy theorists. There's always another layer of the conspiracy to explain a claim being shot down.

This is basically why I'm not posting here much anymore, we just don't discuss policy or politics anymore. 99% of discussion here is trying to get you crazy loonies to admit what reality is. If you can't agree what facts are then you simply can't have a discussion based on them. Y'all bent reality so far apologising for Trump that you just don't know what it is anymore. If the world doesn't fit your belief system then the world is fake noos. I just don't have much interest in trying to communicate with people of that mindset.

Horseshit.

The evidence that is leaking all points to a lab manipulated virus. All of it. You have zero evidence that it came from the wet market except that China says so. Thats it. Thats all you have and yet the facts speak to it being a lab leak and you call it a conspiracy theory. Sorry chief, you lost this one. Take it like a grown man and accept it

What evidence? There has been no new evidence..... Just your wacky non-peer reviewed hoakum from nobodies

Where is the peer reviewed study that says it was bat soup in the wet market?

Dipshit, you don’t even understand what peer review process even it. But then again, most uneducated ditch diggers don’t either so it’s all good

[AnalHamster]

Capt Stapes thinks it reasonable. Hammy bailed out from that argument last week though

There is no argument, it's an evidence free conspiracy theory. If you can produce any actual evidence we can discuss that, it's just a waste of time trying to argue with conspiracy theorists. There's always another layer of the conspiracy to explain a claim being shot down.

This is basically why I'm not posting here much anymore, we just don't discuss policy or politics anymore. 99% of discussion here is trying to get you crazy loonies to admit what reality is. If you can't agree what facts are then you simply can't have a discussion based on them. Y'all bent reality so far apologising for Trump that you just don't know what it is anymore. If the world doesn't fit your belief system then the world is fake noos. I just don't have much interest in trying to communicate with people of that mindset.

The world according to hammy:
No specific evidence virus originated in bats = undeniable fact
No specific evidence virus originated in lab studying that exact type of virus = conspiracy loons

Well yes, you fucking moron, no 'specific evidence' of anything is an undeniable fact. Otherwise, you fucking idiot, what you have there is called 'evidence' and 'fact'.

Then that same unassailable standard applies to the lab leak you fucking pompous twat.

Yes, claiming with zero evidence that there was a 'lab leak' is indeed stupid when you have absolutely no basis for the claim.

[CHEEZY17]

Capt Stapes thinks it reasonable. Hammy bailed out from that argument last week though

There is no argument, it's an evidence free conspiracy theory. If you can produce any actual evidence we can discuss that, it's just a waste of time trying to argue with conspiracy theorists. There's always another layer of the conspiracy to explain a claim being shot down.

This is basically why I'm not posting here much anymore, we just don't discuss policy or politics anymore. 99% of discussion here is trying to get you crazy loonies to admit what reality is. If you can't agree what facts are then you simply can't have a discussion based on them. Y'all bent reality so far apologising for Trump that you just don't know what it is anymore. If the world doesn't fit your belief system then the world is fake noos. I just don't have much interest in trying to communicate with people of that mindset.

Horseshit.

The evidence that is leaking all points to a lab manipulated virus. All of it. You have zero evidence that it came from the wet market except that China says so. Thats it. Thats all you have and yet the facts speak to it being a lab leak and you call it a conspiracy theory. Sorry chief, you lost this one. Take it like a grown man and accept it

What facts?

What differs from every other zoological crossover in the very long and extended history of that happening?

Do you know what the words fact and evidence actually mean?

Show the evidence it came from the wet market. Youre pretty firm on this belief so the evidence should be plentiful.

[CHEEZY17]

Capt Stapes thinks it reasonable. Hammy bailed out from that argument last week though

There is no argument, it's an evidence free conspiracy theory. If you can produce any actual evidence we can discuss that, it's just a waste of time trying to argue with conspiracy theorists. There's always another layer of the conspiracy to explain a claim being shot down.

This is basically why I'm not posting here much anymore, we just don't discuss policy or politics anymore. 99% of discussion here is trying to get you crazy loonies to admit what reality is. If you can't agree what facts are then you simply can't have a discussion based on them. Y'all bent reality so far apologising for Trump that you just don't know what it is anymore. If the world doesn't fit your belief system then the world is fake noos. I just don't have much interest in trying to communicate with people of that mindset.

The world according to hammy:
No specific evidence virus originated in bats = undeniable fact
No specific evidence virus originated in lab studying that exact type of virus = conspiracy loons

Well yes, you fucking moron, no 'specific evidence' of anything is an undeniable fact. Otherwise, you fucking idiot, what you have there is called 'evidence' and 'fact'.

Then that same unassailable standard applies to the lab leak you fucking pompous twat.

Yes, claiming with zero evidence that there was a 'lab leak' is indeed stupid when you have absolutely no basis for the claim.

And you have zero evidence, except China said so, that it came from the market.
Your "zero evidence" is no better than mine, homie.

[Stapes]

Biker seems to really need this to be lab leaked... Lol. You know what's going to happen? We are never going to know either way

[Biker]

Capt Stapes thinks it reasonable. Hammy bailed out from that argument last week though

There is no argument, it's an evidence free conspiracy theory. If you can produce any actual evidence we can discuss that, it's just a waste of time trying to argue with conspiracy theorists. There's always another layer of the conspiracy to explain a claim being shot down.

This is basically why I'm not posting here much anymore, we just don't discuss policy or politics anymore. 99% of discussion here is trying to get you crazy loonies to admit what reality is. If you can't agree what facts are then you simply can't have a discussion based on them. Y'all bent reality so far apologising for Trump that you just don't know what it is anymore. If the world doesn't fit your belief system then the world is fake noos. I just don't have much interest in trying to communicate with people of that mindset.

Horseshit.

The evidence that is leaking all points to a lab manipulated virus. All of it. You have zero evidence that it came from the wet market except that China says so. Thats it. Thats all you have and yet the facts speak to it being a lab leak and you call it a conspiracy theory. Sorry chief, you lost this one. Take it like a grown man and accept it

What facts?

What differs from every other zoological crossover in the very long and extended history of that happening?

Do you know what the words fact and evidence actually mean?

This thread is filled with all the evidence. Absent a full admission from China, there will never be a smoking gun moment in this so we are left with a confluence of evidence that suggests it was manipulated in a lab. Sadly, TDS gas warped your ability to think critically and thus you just decide to be a traitorous twat and side with China

[AnalHamster]

There is no argument, it's an evidence free conspiracy theory. If you can produce any actual evidence we can discuss that, it's just a waste of time trying to argue with conspiracy theorists. There's always another layer of the conspiracy to explain a claim being shot down.

This is basically why I'm not posting here much anymore, we just don't discuss policy or politics anymore. 99% of discussion here is trying to get you crazy loonies to admit what reality is. If you can't agree what facts are then you simply can't have a discussion based on them. Y'all bent reality so far apologising for Trump that you just don't know what it is anymore. If the world doesn't fit your belief system then the world is fake noos. I just don't have much interest in trying to communicate with people of that mindset.

The world according to hammy:
No specific evidence virus originated in bats = undeniable fact
No specific evidence virus originated in lab studying that exact type of virus = conspiracy loons

Well yes, you fucking moron, no 'specific evidence' of anything is an undeniable fact. Otherwise, you fucking idiot, what you have there is called 'evidence' and 'fact'.

Then that same unassailable standard applies to the lab leak you fucking pompous twat.

Yes, claiming with zero evidence that there was a 'lab leak' is indeed stupid when you have absolutely no basis for the claim.

And you have zero evidence, except China said so, that it came from the market.
Your "zero evidence" is no better than mine, homie.

Actually no, there is clear evidence that viral crossovers occur in nature, several times every year throughout human history. Your claim that this one alone came from an evil Chinese lab is the thing being claimed without any basis. The claim that yet another virus infecting people came from where most of them do really isn't controversial for sane people.

[AnalHamster]

Capt Stapes thinks it reasonable. Hammy bailed out from that argument last week though

There is no argument, it's an evidence free conspiracy theory. If you can produce any actual evidence we can discuss that, it's just a waste of time trying to argue with conspiracy theorists. There's always another layer of the conspiracy to explain a claim being shot down.

This is basically why I'm not posting here much anymore, we just don't discuss policy or politics anymore. 99% of discussion here is trying to get you crazy loonies to admit what reality is. If you can't agree what facts are then you simply can't have a discussion based on them. Y'all bent reality so far apologising for Trump that you just don't know what it is anymore. If the world doesn't fit your belief system then the world is fake noos. I just don't have much interest in trying to communicate with people of that mindset.

Horseshit.

The evidence that is leaking all points to a lab manipulated virus. All of it. You have zero evidence that it came from the wet market except that China says so. Thats it. Thats all you have and yet the facts speak to it being a lab leak and you call it a conspiracy theory. Sorry chief, you lost this one. Take it like a grown man and accept it

What facts?

What differs from every other zoological crossover in the very long and extended history of that happening?

Do you know what the words fact and evidence actually mean?

This thread is filled with all the evidence. Absent a full admission from China, there will never be a smoking gun moment in this so we are left with a confluence of evidence that suggests it was manipulated in a lab. Sadly, TDS gas warped your ability to think critically and thus you just decide to be a traitorous twat and side with China

Should be fairly simple to provide some evidence if the thread is filled with it, no?

[Stapes]

The world according to hammy:
No specific evidence virus originated in bats = undeniable fact
No specific evidence virus originated in lab studying that exact type of virus = conspiracy loons

Well yes, you fucking moron, no 'specific evidence' of anything is an undeniable fact. Otherwise, you fucking idiot, what you have there is called 'evidence' and 'fact'.

Then that same unassailable standard applies to the lab leak you fucking pompous twat.

Yes, claiming with zero evidence that there was a 'lab leak' is indeed stupid when you have absolutely no basis for the claim.

And you have zero evidence, except China said so, that it came from the market.
Your "zero evidence" is no better than mine, homie.

Actually no, there is clear evidence that viral crossovers occur in nature, several times every year throughout human history. Your claim that this one alone came from an evil Chinese lab is the thing being claimed without any basis. The claim that yet another virus infecting people came from where most of them do really isn't controversial for sane people.

Exactly.

[CHEEZY17]

The world according to hammy:
No specific evidence virus originated in bats = undeniable fact
No specific evidence virus originated in lab studying that exact type of virus = conspiracy loons

Well yes, you fucking moron, no 'specific evidence' of anything is an undeniable fact. Otherwise, you fucking idiot, what you have there is called 'evidence' and 'fact'.

Then that same unassailable standard applies to the lab leak you fucking pompous twat.

Yes, claiming with zero evidence that there was a 'lab leak' is indeed stupid when you have absolutely no basis for the claim.

And you have zero evidence, except China said so, that it came from the market.
Your "zero evidence" is no better than mine, homie.

Actually no, there is clear evidence that viral crossovers occur in nature, several times every year throughout human history. Your claim that this one alone came from an evil Chinese lab is the thing being claimed without any basis. The claim that yet another virus infecting people came from where most of them do really isn't controversial for sane people.

This specific crossover you tedious twat. No one is claiming it doesnt ever happen. We are saying it probably didnt happen THIS TIME since, you know, there is a lab a mile down the road that studies various types of corona virus.
Again, if you are so sure you should be able to post some peer reviewed links confirming its origination then. Cool. I'll be happy to check them out once you post them.

[AnalHamster]

lol

Well yes, you fucking moron, no 'specific evidence' of anything is an undeniable fact. Otherwise, you fucking idiot, what you have there is called 'evidence' and 'fact'.

Then that same unassailable standard applies to the lab leak you fucking pompous twat.

Yes, claiming with zero evidence that there was a 'lab leak' is indeed stupid when you have absolutely no basis for the claim.

And you have zero evidence, except China said so, that it came from the market.
Your "zero evidence" is no better than mine, homie.

Actually no, there is clear evidence that viral crossovers occur in nature, several times every year throughout human history. Your claim that this one alone came from an evil Chinese lab is the thing being claimed without any basis. The claim that yet another virus infecting people came from where most of them do really isn't controversial for sane people.

This specific crossover you tedious twat. No one is claiming it doesnt ever happen. We are saying it probably didnt happen THIS TIME since, you know, there is a lab a mile down the road that studies various types of corona virus.
Again, if you are so sure you should be able to post some peer reviewed links confirming its origination then. Cool. I'll be happy to check them out once you post them.

So the entirety of your evidence is that there was a lab in the area? And you want me to find a peer reviewed study disputing your conspiracy theory which has absolutely no evidence to dispute?

That doesn't actually require peer review dummy, you need to come up with something first. I don't need peer review to dispute a claim that you saw a unicorn. You need to show us your unicorn first. Then we can examine it and show if it's really a horse with a horn glued to its head. If you are saying 'I saw one prove I didn't', well, I can't. But ask yourself, do you on that basis, believe in unicorns? If not, why not?

[CHEEZY17]

lol

Then that same unassailable standard applies to the lab leak you fucking pompous twat.

Yes, claiming with zero evidence that there was a 'lab leak' is indeed stupid when you have absolutely no basis for the claim.

And you have zero evidence, except China said so, that it came from the market.
Your "zero evidence" is no better than mine, homie.

Actually no, there is clear evidence that viral crossovers occur in nature, several times every year throughout human history. Your claim that this one alone came from an evil Chinese lab is the thing being claimed without any basis. The claim that yet another virus infecting people came from where most of them do really isn't controversial for sane people.

This specific crossover you tedious twat. No one is claiming it doesnt ever happen. We are saying it probably didnt happen THIS TIME since, you know, there is a lab a mile down the road that studies various types of corona virus.
Again, if you are so sure you should be able to post some peer reviewed links confirming its origination then. Cool. I'll be happy to check them out once you post them.

So the entirety of your evidence is that there was a lab in the area? And you want me to find a peer reviewed study disputing your conspiracy theory which has absolutely no evidence to dispute?

That doesn't actually require peer review dummy, you need to come up with something first. I don't need peer review to dispute a claim that you saw a unicorn. You need to show us your unicorn first. Then we can examine it and show if it's really a horse with a horn glued to its head. If you are saying 'I saw one prove I didn't', well, I can't. But ask yourself, do you on that basis, believe in unicorns?

Dude, just admit you cant provide any evidence it came from a bat. OK, forget the peer reviewed evidence. Provide ANY specific evidence.

[AnalHamster]

lol

Yes, claiming with zero evidence that there was a 'lab leak' is indeed stupid when you have absolutely no basis for the claim.

And you have zero evidence, except China said so, that it came from the market.
Your "zero evidence" is no better than mine, homie.

Actually no, there is clear evidence that viral crossovers occur in nature, several times every year throughout human history. Your claim that this one alone came from an evil Chinese lab is the thing being claimed without any basis. The claim that yet another virus infecting people came from where most of them do really isn't controversial for sane people.

This specific crossover you tedious twat. No one is claiming it doesnt ever happen. We are saying it probably didnt happen THIS TIME since, you know, there is a lab a mile down the road that studies various types of corona virus.
Again, if you are so sure you should be able to post some peer reviewed links confirming its origination then. Cool. I'll be happy to check them out once you post them.

So the entirety of your evidence is that there was a lab in the area? And you want me to find a peer reviewed study disputing your conspiracy theory which has absolutely no evidence to dispute?

That doesn't actually require peer review dummy, you need to come up with something first. I don't need peer review to dispute a claim that you saw a unicorn. You need to show us your unicorn first. Then we can examine it and show if it's really a horse with a horn glued to its head. If you are saying 'I saw one prove I didn't', well, I can't. But ask yourself, do you on that basis, believe in unicorns?

Dude, just admit you cant provide any evidence it came from a bat. OK, forget the peer reviewed evidence. Provide ANY specific evidence.

Evidence it came from animals is simply the extremely close relatives to it found in animals.

Are you denying all animal human viral crossovers or just this specific one? Do you think it does commonly happen just like this, but just in this case didn't? Do you know anything at all about the topic?

[CHEEZY17]

lol

And you have zero evidence, except China said so, that it came from the market.
Your "zero evidence" is no better than mine, homie.

Actually no, there is clear evidence that viral crossovers occur in nature, several times every year throughout human history. Your claim that this one alone came from an evil Chinese lab is the thing being claimed without any basis. The claim that yet another virus infecting people came from where most of them do really isn't controversial for sane people.

This specific crossover you tedious twat. No one is claiming it doesnt ever happen. We are saying it probably didnt happen THIS TIME since, you know, there is a lab a mile down the road that studies various types of corona virus.
Again, if you are so sure you should be able to post some peer reviewed links confirming its origination then. Cool. I'll be happy to check them out once you post them.

So the entirety of your evidence is that there was a lab in the area? And you want me to find a peer reviewed study disputing your conspiracy theory which has absolutely no evidence to dispute?

That doesn't actually require peer review dummy, you need to come up with something first. I don't need peer review to dispute a claim that you saw a unicorn. You need to show us your unicorn first. Then we can examine it and show if it's really a horse with a horn glued to its head. If you are saying 'I saw one prove I didn't', well, I can't. But ask yourself, do you on that basis, believe in unicorns?

Dude, just admit you cant provide any evidence it came from a bat. OK, forget the peer reviewed evidence. Provide ANY specific evidence.

Evidence it came from animals is simply the extremely close relatives to it found in animals.

Are you denying all animal human viral crossovers or just this specific one? Do you think it does commonly happen just like this, but just in this case didn't? Do you know anything at all about the topic?

So you have no specific evidence then. You have a maybe. Your straw man is bull shit. No one is arguing it hasn't or can't happen. I think it happens both ways: natural and man made. Something you seem unwilling to admit.

[spudoc]

lol

Actually no, there is clear evidence that viral crossovers occur in nature, several times every year throughout human history. Your claim that this one alone came from an evil Chinese lab is the thing being claimed without any basis. The claim that yet another virus infecting people came from where most of them do really isn't controversial for sane people.

This specific crossover you tedious twat. No one is claiming it doesnt ever happen. We are saying it probably didnt happen THIS TIME since, you know, there is a lab a mile down the road that studies various types of corona virus.
Again, if you are so sure you should be able to post some peer reviewed links confirming its origination then. Cool. I'll be happy to check them out once you post them.

So the entirety of your evidence is that there was a lab in the area? And you want me to find a peer reviewed study disputing your conspiracy theory which has absolutely no evidence to dispute?

That doesn't actually require peer review dummy, you need to come up with something first. I don't need peer review to dispute a claim that you saw a unicorn. You need to show us your unicorn first. Then we can examine it and show if it's really a horse with a horn glued to its head. If you are saying 'I saw one prove I didn't', well, I can't. But ask yourself, do you on that basis, believe in unicorns?

Dude, just admit you cant provide any evidence it came from a bat. OK, forget the peer reviewed evidence. Provide ANY specific evidence.

Evidence it came from animals is simply the extremely close relatives to it found in animals.

Are you denying all animal human viral crossovers or just this specific one? Do you think it does commonly happen just like this, but just in this case didn't? Do you know anything at all about the topic?

So you have no specific evidence then. You have a maybe. Your straw man is bull shit. No one is arguing it hasn't or can't happen. I think it happens both ways: natural and man made. Something you seem unwilling to admit.

There is no evidence that this virus came about naturally other than viruses occurring naturally since the beginning of time. The problem with you conspiracy nuts is that you have already concluded that not only was this created in a lab but that it was created for nefarious purposes. And you have no evidence. None.

[CHEEZY17]

lol

This specific crossover you tedious twat. No one is claiming it doesnt ever happen. We are saying it probably didnt happen THIS TIME since, you know, there is a lab a mile down the road that studies various types of corona virus.
Again, if you are so sure you should be able to post some peer reviewed links confirming its origination then. Cool. I'll be happy to check them out once you post them.

So the entirety of your evidence is that there was a lab in the area? And you want me to find a peer reviewed study disputing your conspiracy theory which has absolutely no evidence to dispute?

That doesn't actually require peer review dummy, you need to come up with something first. I don't need peer review to dispute a claim that you saw a unicorn. You need to show us your unicorn first. Then we can examine it and show if it's really a horse with a horn glued to its head. If you are saying 'I saw one prove I didn't', well, I can't. But ask yourself, do you on that basis, believe in unicorns?

Dude, just admit you cant provide any evidence it came from a bat. OK, forget the peer reviewed evidence. Provide ANY specific evidence.

Evidence it came from animals is simply the extremely close relatives to it found in animals.

Are you denying all animal human viral crossovers or just this specific one? Do you think it does commonly happen just like this, but just in this case didn't? Do you know anything at all about the topic?

So you have no specific evidence then. You have a maybe. Your straw man is bull shit. No one is arguing it hasn't or can't happen. I think it happens both ways: natural and man made. Something you seem unwilling to admit.

There is no evidence that this virus came about naturally other than viruses occurring naturally since the beginning of time. The problem with you conspiracy nuts is that you have already concluded that not only was this created in a lab but that it was created for nefarious purposes. And you have no evidence. None.

There is historical evidence of it naturally occurring and there is historical evidence of human manipulation.
So no chance it came from the lab? Yes or no.

[CHEEZY17]

Here is the difference in a nut shell:

One side believes it simply MUST be natural and a lab leak is nonsense.
One side thinks all possibilities have to be considered (or most likely a Lab Leak).

Lets break down the "evidence" on each side.

Natural side "Evidence":
*Precedent exists for naturally occurring
*China says it came from the market
*No specific smoking gun indicating a lab leak
*Many scientists still prefer this origin

Lab leak "Evidence":
*Lab studying Corona Viruses located a mile away from where leak is said to have originated
*China has not been forthcoming with new information to the point of aggression
*China will not release lab logs or internal lab communication during that time
*Scientists who work(ed) at the lab were hospitalized with a sickness very similar to Covid 19
*No "spillover" virus has been found
*Precedent exists for humans manipulating viruses
*Many scientists are now more accepting of the possibility and want more info
*There are literally still labs throughout the world manipulating viruses right now.

You can call me a conspiracy theorists if you want, I really dont care. From my perspective, the rational person has to accept the "Lab Leak" theory as a possibility. To simply write off the possibility, in my mind, is irrational.

Where does Occam's Razor fall? I see it falling either way which is why I believe the Lab Leak theory cant be completely dismissed.

[Animal]

If its not possible, or plausible, or even a consideration for a virus to escape a lab, then why do people that work in labs like the one in Wuhan even bother to wear PPE equipment?

[Stapes]

It is possible, plausible and to be considered. The difference is some here are pushing an agenda of a definitive lab origin with existing evidence when that is the furthest thing from the truth. There is already a precedent for animal to human origin........... at this point a lab leak is just conjecture.

[Animal]

It is possible, plausible and to be considered. The difference is some here are pushing an agenda of a definitive lab origin with existing evidence when that is the furthest thing from the truth. There is already a precedent for animal to human origin........... at this point a lab leak is just conjecture.

i really don't think anyone is promoting the lab leak as an iron clad, only, definitive "origin". What I have seen people doing is wondering why its not getting more attention in terms of investigation.

and the point is that there is such a fundamental difference in the two possibilities. If it was, in fact, from an animal to human transfer, then we have some historical knowledge of that and understanding and know how to do things to prevent it happening again.

However, if it came from a lab, then that opens up an entirely different can of worms. should the lab have been doing it, should the lab have been more secure, are safety protocols a problem, etc. Its completely apples and oranges in terms of the next steps.

i obviously have no fucking idea how it happened. but i can't help but think that the coincidence of that lab sitting right there at ground zero raises suspicions. Injesting radiation is most common from soil and rock. however, if a bunch of people were suddenly sick from radiation poisoning across from a nuclear power plant, even if there was a rock quarry nearby, which do you think people would focus on first?

[Cassandros]

[necronomous]

If it came from nature, so what?
If however, it came from a lab, then you are literally defending China by not demanding that they prove it. If there is nothing to worry about then they shouldn't be trying to protect something that never occurred. However, what does it matter if we put communist pieces of shits feet to the flame and actually hold them accountable for something they have done? Why are the ones here saying its almost for sure natural, so willing to stick their neck out FOR the Chinese. Because that's what you're doing.

[CHEEZY17]

If it came from nature, so what?
If however, it came from a lab, then you are literally defending China by not demanding that they prove it. If there is nothing to worry about then they shouldn't be trying to protect something that never occurred. However, what does it matter if we put communist pieces of shits feet to the flame and actually hold them accountable for something they have done? Why are the ones here saying its almost for sure natural, so willing to stick their neck out FOR the Chinese. Because that's what you're doing.

Well, the Chinese government has always been pretty honest and open about things so if theyre saying it came from a wet market their word is as good as gold.

[necronomous]

If it came from nature, so what?
If however, it came from a lab, then you are literally defending China by not demanding that they prove it. If there is nothing to worry about then they shouldn't be trying to protect something that never occurred. However, what does it matter if we put communist pieces of shits feet to the flame and actually hold them accountable for something they have done? Why are the ones here saying its almost for sure natural, so willing to stick their neck out FOR the Chinese. Because that's what you're doing.

Well, the Chinese government has always been pretty honest and open about things so if theyre saying it came from a wet market their word is as good as gold.

oh absolutely