Chief Justice John Roberts joined the court’s four liberals in putting a hold on Abortion law

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I don't think Roberts will be willing to throw his name into the offals of history, but then again nothing is as it seems anymore

[CHEEZY17]

You understand that a very large portion of the country is pro-life, right?

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You understand that a very large portion of the country is pro-life, right?

You understand that an even larger portion is pro choice, right?

[CHEEZY17]

You understand that a very large portion of the country is pro-life, right?

You understand that an even larger portion is pro choice, right?

And? My point is that a pro life stance isnt exactly some sort of miniscule portion of the country or an outlier. You guys are making it out like the country is being hijacked by a very small group of people and thats simply not the case.

[CaptQuint]

You understand that a very large portion of the country is pro-life, right?

You understand that an even larger portion is pro choice, right?

And? My point is that a pro life stance isnt exactly some sort of miniscule portion of the country or an outlier. You guys are making it out like the country is being hijacked by a very small group of people and thats simply not the case.

I would think the amount of people who want abortion outlawed, or limited to 4 or 5 weeks into a pregnancy is a tiny fraction of the population that have an opinion.

[CHEEZY17]

You understand that a very large portion of the country is pro-life, right?

You understand that an even larger portion is pro choice, right?

And? My point is that a pro life stance isnt exactly some sort of miniscule portion of the country or an outlier. You guys are making it out like the country is being hijacked by a very small group of people and thats simply not the case.

I would think the amount of people who want abortion outlawed, or limited to 4 or 5 weeks into a pregnancy is a tiny fraction of the population that have an opinion.

Frankly, I dont know.I freely admit I dont follow the latest and greatest abortion polls but I am talking about abortion in general. My understanding is that a huge portion of the country would consider themselves "pro-life" if asked. What that exactly that means in relation to days, weeks etc. I dont know. I would agree most Americans wouldnt want to see it made completely illegal but conversely I dont think it would be out of line to say many Americans would be ok with restrictions preventing the procedure from being used as just another form of birth control.

[CaptQuint]

You understand that a very large portion of the country is pro-life, right?

You understand that an even larger portion is pro choice, right?

And? My point is that a pro life stance isnt exactly some sort of miniscule portion of the country or an outlier. You guys are making it out like the country is being hijacked by a very small group of people and thats simply not the case.

I would think the amount of people who want abortion outlawed, or limited to 4 or 5 weeks into a pregnancy is a tiny fraction of the population that have an opinion.

Frankly, I dont know.I freely admit I dont follow the latest and greatest abortion polls but I am talking about abortion in general. My understanding is that a huge portion of the country would consider themselves "pro-life" if asked. What that exactly that means in relation to days, weeks etc. I dont know. I would agree most Americans wouldnt want to see it made completely illegal but conversely I dont think it would be out of line to say many Americans would be ok with restrictions preventing the procedure from being used as just another form of birth control.

I looked at a bunch of polls that went back over a decade last night. Support on both sides rise and fall and change year to year. Different results depending on how the question is asked and when is too late into a term to have an abortion are all over the map. It's truly is a hard thing to pin down.

[AnalHamster]

Support for completely outlawing abortion is very low, that's why the Christian right is trying to do it by the backdoor, corrupting the judiciary and introducing bills like the heartbeat bills, which mean it's generally too late by the time the pregnancy is discovered, and their endless attempts to impose restrictions on clinics so that the last few in the state close down. You don't need to succeed in banning if you can make it impossible to do by closing the last clinics. It's gone from the state either way.

The problem they're going to have with their strategy is that it leaves them in an uncircumcized position if it succeeds, defending an unpopular status quo.

[Wut]

You understand that a very large portion of the country is pro-life, right?

You understand that an even larger portion is pro choice, right?

And? My point is that a pro life stance isnt exactly some sort of miniscule portion of the country or an outlier. You guys are making it out like the country is being hijacked by a very small group of people and thats simply not the case.

I would think the amount of people who want abortion outlawed, or limited to 4 or 5 weeks into a pregnancy is a tiny fraction of the population that have an opinion.

Frankly, I dont know.I freely admit I dont follow the latest and greatest abortion polls but I am talking about abortion in general. My understanding is that a huge portion of the country would consider themselves "pro-life" if asked. What that exactly that means in relation to days, weeks etc. I dont know. I would agree most Americans wouldnt want to see it made completely illegal but conversely I dont think it would be out of line to say many Americans would be ok with restrictions preventing the procedure from being used as just another form of birth control.

The restrictions being passed by the republicans go far beyond preventing abortion being used as merely a form of birth control, they are working towards eliminating it completely.

Abortion not being used as just another form of birth control is an unworkable measure anyway as then you're getting into the reason why a woman would be getting one, which us irrelevant.

[Stapes]

More executing the babies talk from the liar in chief

[CaptQuint]

These people are sick in the head. They adore being lied to.

[CaptQuint]

Top White House official eyes entitlement cuts ‘next year’

09/17/18

As the midterm elections draw closer, a variety of Republican leaders, cognizant of broad public support for social-insurance programs like Medicare and Social Security, have said it’s Republicans who are the true champions of the programs – reality be damned.

Donald Trump went so far as to argue two weeks ago, “We’re saving Social Security; the Democrats will destroy Social Security. We’re saving Medicare; the Democrats want to destroy Medicare.” The president has pushed the same message at some of his recent campaign rallies.

As election-season pitches go, the idea that Republicans will support Medicare and Social Security more than Democrats is as cynical as it is ridiculous. But while the president and some of his cohorts vow to protect these pillars of modern American life, other Republicans are stepping on the party’s message and signaling their intentions to cut those programs.

Today, for example, Larry Kudlow, the director of the Trump White House’s National Economic Council, spoke at the Economic Club of New York, and had this exchange with CNBC’s Becky Quick:

QUICK: Will the Trump administration tackle entitlement reform?

KUDLOW: Well, we’ve already tackled a big part of the newest entitlement, namely Obamacare. As far as the larger entitlements, I think everybody’s going to look at that probably next year. I don’t want to be specific, I don’t want to get ahead of our own budgeting, but we’ll get there.

As CNBC reported, Kudlow added that the White House is determined to reduce federal spending, and “part of the Republican plan to curb spending is tackling entitlements.”

For now, let’s put aside the misplaced boasts about “tackling” the Affordable Care Act – a system Trump made worse, on purpose, though it’s still far more popular than the Republican tax plan.

The more notable revelation was Kudlow’s intentions to target the major social-insurance programs “probably next year.”


Earlier in the summer, House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Steve Stivers (R-Ohio) both expressed their support for targeting entitlement programs as a way of dealing with the massive deficits Republicans created through tax breaks for the wealthy.

Not to put too fine a point on this, but we keep watching key GOP officials admit that they want to cut programs like Medicare and Social Security. Maybe the public should believe them.

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Trump said he wouldn’t cut Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare. His 2020 budget cuts all 3.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... udget-cuts

[VinceBordenIII]

Trump said he wouldn’t cut Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare. His 2020 budget cuts all 3.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... udget-cuts

Not reading that! Cuts, or reduces increases?

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Georgia Governor Brian Kemp will sign the state's "fetal heartbeat bill" today On Tuesday morning Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp plans to sign the state's controversial "Living Infants Fairness and Equality (LIFE) Act", a piece of legislation that would ban all abortions after a fetal heartbeat was detected.

That usually happens about five to six weeks into a pregnancy — before most women know that they're pregnant — leading abortion rights advocates to call the bill a de facto ban on abortion in the state.

The law is poised to become one of the most restrictive pieces of anti-abortion access laws in the country. The American Civil Liberties Union has vowed to file a complaint against the legislation long before January 2020, when the policy change is scheduled to be implemented. The bill includes an exception for rape, incest, and situations when the mother's health is at risk.


So-called "heartbeat bills" like Georgia's have become a popular tool among states looking to reduce abortion access. At least 15 states have introduced similar legislation this year and the governors of Kentucky, Mississippi and Ohio have signed theirs into law. None of those laws have been successfully enacted, according to the reproductive health research organization the Guttmacher Institute.

Experts say those laws aim to serve a broader purpose: providing legal fodder to begin the long legal battle necessary to overturn, or at least undermine, Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 Supreme Court ruling that protects a woman's right to an abortion up until fetal viability, which is typically around 24 to 25 weeks.


Emboldened by the addition of conservative Justice Brett Kavanaugh to the nation's highest court, states have introduced and passed more anti-abortion access legislation than ever before, said Elizabeth Nash, a senior state issues manager at Guttmacher.

"The surge in attempts to ban abortion in the earliest stages of pregnancy underscores that the end goal of anti-abortion politicians and activists is to ban all abortion — at any point during pregnancy and for any reason," Nash said in an email to CBS News Monday.

This year alone, state lawmakers have introduced more than 250 bills restricting abortion access, according to a study conducted by Planned Parenthood and Guttmacher last month. And six-week abortion bans, like Georgia's, are up by 62 percent, according to the study.

Many of those restrictions have been blocked by federal judges, the first step in a long legal battle to get the legislation in front of the U.S. Supreme Court, said Nash. States can then appeal the decision, and if they're denied again they can submit another appeal to the Supreme Court, which can choose whether or not they want to take the case, according to Nash. For conservative lawmakers interested in overturning or eroding abortion access, this appellate path is the only way to substantively chip away at Roe v. Wade, which is protected by the U.S. Constitution.

"This legislative session could turn out to be the most harmful for women's health in decades," said Dr. Leana Wen, the president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, in an email to CBS News on Tuesday. "It's no coincidence: with Trump in the White House and Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, anti-women's health politicians are pushing an extreme agenda to take away all access to safe, legal abortion."

Georgia's bill has been the target of intense scrutiny by Hollywood. A petition started by Alyssa Milano last month, who at the time was in Atlanta shooting for the Netflix show "Insatiable," was signed by more than 100 celebrities, including Amy Schumer, Alec Baldwin and Judd Apatow. Milano wrote that if the bill passed, "we cannot in good conscience continue to recommend our industry remain in Georgia."

The letter also noted that if members were to boycott filming in Georgia, "the cost would be most deeply felt by the residents of Georgia — including those who directly work in the film and television industry, and those who benefit from the many millions of dollars it pours into the local economy."

At an event in March, Kemp said the entertainment industry employs 200,000 Georgians and generated more than $60 billion of economic activity for the state.

Prior to Tuesday's legislation, Georgia politicians have already passed a host of anti-abortion access laws, according to the Guttmacher Institute. Women in Georgia are required to wait 24 hours between requesting and obtaining an abortion in the state and minors are required to notify their parents.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heartbeat- ... 5-07-live/

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Alabama's near-total abortion ban legislation -- House Bill 314, the "Human Life Protection Act" -- could be passed into law as soon as Tuesday.

If it passes it will be the most restrictive ban on abortion since the Supreme Court decided to legalize and protect the procedure nationwide with its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

The bill provides no exceptions for rape or incest and classifies the procedure as a Class A felony in the state. That means a doctor caught performing abortions in Alabama would face up to 99 years in prison.

The rape and incest clause was the subject of a fiery interaction on Thursday morning when Will Ainsworth, the Lieutenant Governor of Alabama, moved to reject an amendment that sought to include an exception for the two situations. Senate Majority Leader Bobby Singleton challenged the quick decision, leading to an angry exchange between the two politicians. If the amendment had been added, the bill would have gone back to the House for a vote, leading to a delay.

Though it is likely the bill will be passed, it isn't likely it will be successfully implemented before being blocked by a federal judge, as it is in clear violation of Roe v. Wade. If passed, the legislation would likely join a host of other contested laws that anti-abortion activists hope will rise to the Supreme Court and potentially overturn Roe v. Wade. The proposed law flatly rejects the decision, saying "judges and legal scholars have disagreed and dissented with its finding." State Representative Terri Collins, the bill's primary sponsor, called the proposed legislation a "direct attack" on Roe v. Wade.

"The heart of this bill is to confront a decision that was made by the courts in 1973 that said the baby in the womb is not a person," Collins said last week when the Alabama House debated the legislation. "This bill addresses that one issue. Is that baby in the womb a person? I believe our law says it is."

The legislation has been criticized by Jewish activists and abortion rights groups for comparing lives lost in the Holocaust to abortions.

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Alabama is the fifth most federally dependent state and this what they spend money on.

[B-Tender]

Alabama is the fifth most federally dependent state and this what they spend money on.

Following up on that point: Here is a list of states most dependent to least.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-l ... n-findings

[CaptQuint]

Kentucky number 3, congrats Mitch must be too busy sucking Russian cocks to help your people

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[CaptQuint]

After the Alabama Senate erupted in chaos Thursday over what may become the nation’s strictest abortion ban, the state’s lieutenant governor admitted that the bill is a direct attempt to get Roe v. Wade overturned.

“It is important that we pass this statewide abortion ban legislation and begin a long overdue effort to directly challenge Roe v. Wade,” Alabama Lt. Gov. Will Ainsworth (R) said in a statement Thursday.

Ainsworth also credited President Donald Trump, who recently upped his dangerous and often false anti-abortion rhetoric, with remaking the federal judiciary to achieve the overturning of the landmark 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that ensures a woman’s right to an abortion.

“Now that President Donald Trump has supercharged the effort to remake the federal court system by appointing conservative jurists who will strictly interpret the Constitution, I feel confident that the U.S. Supreme Court will overturn Roe and finally correct its 46-year-old mistake,” said the lieutenant governor, who presides over the state Senate chamber.


Alabama state senators postponed the vote on the abortion ban until next Tuesday after arguments over a procedural vote. Some Republicans tried to quickly remove exemptions for rape and incest from the bill without holding an official roll call vote, according to local news reports.

The bill, called the Human Life Protection Act, would make it a felony punishable by at least 10 years in prison if a doctor performed an abortion, with the only exception being if a pregnant woman’s life was in danger. The state House passed a version of the bill last week that did not include exceptions for pregnancy caused by rape or incest.

The Senate version of the bill included an amendment with such exceptions, but Senate Minority Leader Bobby Singleton (D) said Ainsworth tried to hastily table the amendment using a voice vote despite enough members raising their hands to require a full roll call vote. The vote was then tabled after a shouting match.





State lawmakers have introduced more than 250 abortion restriction bills so far this year, according to a March report from Planned Parenthood and the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive rights research organization.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alabama- ... da4e867606