Looks like Canada is going to have to build a wall.

[Reservoir Dog]

Caravans of Americans are flooding over our border looking for cheap drugs!

https://www.newsweek.com/caravan-americ ... 82ewLr6Zs0

[Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty]

5 insulin pens for $700! Wow. Go USA!!

I pay $16 for 12 of them. On my plan. They are $150 usually.

And at the diabetes clinic (no charge of course) they were giving me free ones until I got my plan activated.

Not sure how you nimrods justify this. What good, other than making rich companies richer, do you feel this creates?

[DandyDon]

5 insulin pens for $700! Wow. Go USA!!

I pay $16 for 12 of them. On my plan. They are $150 usually.

And at the diabetes clinic (no charge of course) they were giving me free ones until I got my plan activated.

Not sure how you nimrods justify this. What good, other than making rich companies richer, do you feel this creates?

Republicans: "It should hurt to be poor, and we are here to help."

[CaptQuint]

If you aren't willing to shell out 700 bucks to stay alive you're a commie Murica!

[FSchmertz]

Are the Canadians complaining about how all the American "immigrants are criminals and rapists"?

[CaptQuint]

Are the Canadians complaining about how all the American "immigrants are criminals and rapists"?

Is Trump in the caravan?

[CaptQuint]

[Reservoir Dog]

Are the Canadians complaining about how all the American "immigrants are criminals and rapists"?

What other kinds of Americans are there?

[Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty]

And leave your fricken guns at home. We only hug up here.

[FSchmertz]

And leave your fricken guns at home. We only hug up here.

You folks going to give them a severe scolding if they bring them?

[Reservoir Dog]

And leave your fricken guns at home. We only hug up here.

You folks going to give them a severe scolding if they bring them?

Nah, we'll just shoot them in the face and skin their guts to line our igloos and fuel our oil lamps.

[Charliesheen]

As usual, VDH nails it:

https://amgreatness.com/2019/04/14/are- ... migration/

Latin Americans won't stop coming until the southwest US is a shit-hole.

[VinceBordenIII]

Here's a question: Do critics of America's health care system think it will be that much better when it's "fre"e?

What I mean is, we're all against 700 dollar insulin pins, but why are they that much? Honestly, I haven't looked into it. If America is a place where Business and unintended regulatory consequences have caused these price escalations, how will this play out in the New System? Are these issues going to go away, or is our ACA-Medicare system going to cost trillions of dollars? After all, our politicians still get paid through campaign contributions and other comps, right? They still don't write the rules, do they?

So what will the inevitable new system look like? And will the costs continue to spin out of control?

[VinceBordenIII]

Another issue: How will we deal with the inevitable shortages of doctors and facilities, i.e., resources? Canadians, being the kind, patient people they are, will politely wait their turn, it seems. Queue up. Not so Americans. We will complain loudly, call in the media, hold congressional hearings, etc.. because billy the infant couldn't get his heart-lung transplant.

[AnalHamster]

Y'all get price gouged because you're the only country that allows that to happen, other countries use the power of the government to negotiate prices while you guys let lobbyists make it illegal for the HHS secretary to negotiate prices, apparently with the vague idea that the free market fixes all problems even when that problem is a government enforced patent banning competition. Medicare is still more efficient though so prices would come down anyway a tad. 'Muricans tend to overlook that they are already paying way more than the outside world, both the public system through their taxes and the private system through their wages or premiums. You also tend to overlook that rationing occurs in your system same as any other, little billy just doesn't get a waiting list because his insurance declines to pay for the surgery, he's hit that lifetime cap thing you have there, or he doesn't have insurance at all. No one gives a shit.

[kwebber]

Are the Canadians complaining about how all the American "immigrants are criminals and rapists"?

What other kinds of Americans are there?

America is the land of guns and litigation, so just assume all Americans are gun toting litigants.

[kwebber]

Another issue: How will we deal with the inevitable shortages of doctors and facilities, i.e., resources? Canadians, being the kind, patient people they are, will politely wait their turn, it seems. Queue up. Not so Americans. We will complain loudly, call in the media, hold congressional hearings, etc.. because billy the infant couldn't get his heart-lung transplant.

Please get your fucking facts straight before you run your mouth aboot a subject. "billy the infant" would get his heart-lung transplant first because it's a life threatening situation. Kim Kardashian on the other hand, would have to wait for her non life threatening ass implant surgery, or she can pay a private clinic to handle that elective surgery. That is the queue system in Canada. Life threatening first, the rest of you can wait your turn.

[VinceBordenIII]

Another issue: How will we deal with the inevitable shortages of doctors and facilities, i.e., resources? Canadians, being the kind, patient people they are, will politely wait their turn, it seems. Queue up. Not so Americans. We will complain loudly, call in the media, hold congressional hearings, etc.. because billy the infant couldn't get his heart-lung transplant.

Please get your fucking facts straight before you run your mouth aboot a subject. "billy the infant" would get his heart-lung transplant first because it's a life threatening situation. Kim Kardashian on the other hand, would have to wait for her non life threatening ass implant surgery, or she can pay a private clinic to handle that elective surgery. That is the queue system in Canada. Life threatening first, the rest of you can wait your turn.

Years ago there was a billy the infant situation in America, in a state with universal health care. As I recall, the answer was no, because it was too iffy and very expensive, a cost which could have given prenatal care to many thousands(?) of women. It became a big pr push to get the transplant. There lies the issue.

[Wut]

Another issue: How will we deal with the inevitable shortages of doctors and facilities, i.e., resources? Canadians, being the kind, patient people they are, will politely wait their turn, it seems. Queue up. Not so Americans. We will complain loudly, call in the media, hold congressional hearings, etc.. because billy the infant couldn't get his heart-lung transplant.

Please get your fucking facts straight before you run your mouth aboot a subject. "billy the infant" would get his heart-lung transplant first because it's a life threatening situation. Kim Kardashian on the other hand, would have to wait for her non life threatening ass implant surgery, or she can pay a private clinic to handle that elective surgery. That is the queue system in Canada. Life threatening first, the rest of you can wait your turn.

Years ago there was a billy the infant situation in America, in a state with universal health care. As I recall, the answer was no, because it was too iffy and very expensive, a cost which could have given prenatal care to many thousands(?) of women. It became a big pr push to get the transplant. There lies the issue.

Got any more facts on this case, I don't remember it

[VinceBordenIII]

Another issue: How will we deal with the inevitable shortages of doctors and facilities, i.e., resources? Canadians, being the kind, patient people they are, will politely wait their turn, it seems. Queue up. Not so Americans. We will complain loudly, call in the media, hold congressional hearings, etc.. because billy the infant couldn't get his heart-lung transplant.

Please get your fucking facts straight before you run your mouth aboot a subject. "billy the infant" would get his heart-lung transplant first because it's a life threatening situation. Kim Kardashian on the other hand, would have to wait for her non life threatening ass implant surgery, or she can pay a private clinic to handle that elective surgery. That is the queue system in Canada. Life threatening first, the rest of you can wait your turn.

Years ago there was a billy the infant situation in America, in a state with universal health care. As I recall, the answer was no, because it was too iffy and very expensive, a cost which could have given prenatal care to many thousands(?) of women. It became a big pr push to get the transplant. There lies the issue.

Got any more facts on this case, I don't remember it

If I recall, it would have been around 1987. Maybe later. It was a Big story at the time. A or push to get a transplant for the child, with officials saying how much could be done with that money.

Edit: the key would be first to find the states that had health care at that time. If I recall, it was universal. Or the kid's name. News is so old and healthcare such a huge topic, it’s hard to find, lexis-nexis, anyone?

[AnalHamster]

So a case you can't recall in a state level universal healthcare system which never existed. Sure.

If billy the infant needed a heart transplant over here, cost wouldn't be a relevant factor. The doctors get their salaries and the patient gets no bill. Simples. Decisions about cost benefit analysis for whether a treatment should be offered in the NHS as a whole are made by an independent agency called NICE. Their published decisions are subject to judicial review. If a treatment is approved, like heart transplants are, then it's a decision for the patient's doctor who has no interest in how much it's going to cost the NHS or how much the patient has already cost the NHS. Compare that to rationing in the US system with insurers making the decisions about what is covered in private, judicial review replaced by suing them, lifetime spending caps, and a decision making body with an interest in the cost of an individual patient and trying to maximise their profit.

[FSchmertz]

Another issue: How will we deal with the inevitable shortages of doctors and facilities, i.e., resources? Canadians, being the kind, patient people they are, will politely wait their turn, it seems. Queue up. Not so Americans. We will complain loudly, call in the media, hold congressional hearings, etc.. because billy the infant couldn't get his heart-lung transplant.

Please get your fucking facts straight before you run your mouth aboot a subject. "billy the infant" would get his heart-lung transplant first because it's a life threatening situation. Kim Kardashian on the other hand, would have to wait for her non life threatening ass implant surgery, or she can pay a private clinic to handle that elective surgery. That is the queue system in Canada. Life threatening first, the rest of you can wait your turn.

And people keep forgetting that, if you're rich enough, you don't have to wait.

Which is about what our system is, minus the essential health care part.

P.S. The thing that worries folks is the cost, and how much our taxes have to increase to afford it. But this should be somewhat offset by getting a bigger health care "bang for the buck." Right now, our health care is outrageously expensive, and it can't go on this way. And there's a much bigger incentive to get preventative care, avoiding more expensive treatments later due to neglect.

[VinceBordenIII]

So a case you can't recall in a state level universal healthcare system which never existed. Sure.

If billy the infant needed a heart transplant over here, cost wouldn't be a relevant factor. The doctors get their salaries and the patient gets no bill. Simples. Decisions about cost benefit analysis for whether a treatment should be offered in the NHS as a whole are made by an independent agency called NICE. Their published decisions are subject to judicial review. If a treatment is approved, like heart transplants are, then it's a decision for the patient's doctor who has no interest in how much it's going to cost the NHS or how much the patient has already cost the NHS. Compare that to rationing in the US system with insurers making the decisions about what is covered in private, judicial review replaced by suing them, lifetime spending caps, and a decision making body with an interest in the cost of an individual patient and trying to maximise their profit.

Yes. I lied. I made the whole thing up because you’re that important to me.

[CHEEZY17]

So a case you can't recall in a state level universal healthcare system which never existed. Sure.

If billy the infant needed a heart transplant over here, cost wouldn't be a relevant factor. The doctors get their salaries and the patient gets no bill. Simples. Decisions about cost benefit analysis for whether a treatment should be offered in the NHS as a whole are made by an independent agency called NICE. Their published decisions are subject to judicial review. If a treatment is approved, like heart transplants are, then it's a decision for the patient's doctor who has no interest in how much it's going to cost the NHS or how much the patient has already cost the NHS. Compare that to rationing in the US system with insurers making the decisions about what is covered in private, judicial review replaced by suing them, lifetime spending caps, and a decision making body with an interest in the cost of an individual patient and trying to maximise their profit.

Yes. I lied. I made the whole thing up because you’re that important to me.

It's all part of hammy-Schtick. Years ago we were discussing paid protestors and I remarked that when I worked in a shop in the ghetto I used to see flyers posted on telephone poles that wanted "community activists" to carry picket signs, walk and chant slogans etc. The payment, I believe, was $12 an hour. Since I was unwilling to take a long drive into the Detroit ghetto to take a pic of flyers that may or may not even still be there, I was, of course, making it all up.

[VinceBordenIII]

So a case you can't recall in a state level universal healthcare system which never existed. Sure.

If billy the infant needed a heart transplant over here, cost wouldn't be a relevant factor. The doctors get their salaries and the patient gets no bill. Simples. Decisions about cost benefit analysis for whether a treatment should be offered in the NHS as a whole are made by an independent agency called NICE. Their published decisions are subject to judicial review. If a treatment is approved, like heart transplants are, then it's a decision for the patient's doctor who has no interest in how much it's going to cost the NHS or how much the patient has already cost the NHS. Compare that to rationing in the US system with insurers making the decisions about what is covered in private, judicial review replaced by suing them, lifetime spending caps, and a decision making body with an interest in the cost of an individual patient and trying to maximise their profit.

Yes. I lied. I made the whole thing up because you’re that important to me.

It's all part of hammy-Schtick. Years ago we were discussing paid protestors and I remarked that when I worked in a shop in the ghetto I used to see flyers posted on telephone poles that wanted "community activists" to carry picket signs, walk and chant slogans etc. The payment, I believe, was $12 an hour. Since I was unwilling to take a long drive into the Detroit ghetto to take a pic of flyers that may or may not even still be there, I was, of course, making it all up.

He can't seem to have a civil conversation. And the anti-American shit gets tedious.