Political cartoon and meme thread for both sides of the spectrum.

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And? Are you new to politics? They want headlines. They have lots of circumstantial evidence. I'd rather they have more even if its just more circumstantial evidence. I want the case to be iron clad with no room for delusional cowards like you to say "Nuh uh!" because they dont want to put the dots together. Its premature because they feel like they have to do something and they want revenge; thats not the same as saying they dont have anything...which is YOUR ridiculous position.

But wait, it's not iron clad already? But you insisted that he's corrupt, that the proof is right there, I mean it's not which is why we've been asking for it for weeks now. But still, you insisted it's all there, and all we have to do is look at it and acknowledge it. So tell us, why is it suddenly not good enough for an impeachment inquiry? Why is it you want more? Something more concrete, I believe you said. In other words, just say it, you don't have evidence Joe Biden is corrupt. You wish you did, after all, you proclaimed his corruption based on nothing except his name and party affiliation. Some of your reps aren't even on board with this, saying the quiet part out loud on tv, no evidence on Joe Biden. F'n dupe, but I told you so.

[Ricrude]

Smh...you are giving me the opportunity to clear up exactly what my personal and political beliefs are so there is absolutely no question as to how you may perceive me? Thats rich...I had to think about this because you did something that you shouldn't have.

I've already addressed several of these things and if you have followed me then you would know...I have never supported Trump, but I am a conservative...leaning towards the middle. I do not condone either of the political cults... (that means the far left or right), I honestly don't think either faction is good for this nation and I've never accused the liberal left of being Nazis...but if they feel guilty so be it.

To the point of being easily misled...I have been guilty of posting memes, gifs, jpegs that I find interesting or just plain funny without comment to elicit response. It allows others to comment on that particular meme, gif, jpeg as they feel or wish they felt...even you. It does not reflect any particular view or stance you may assume that I take.

And yes, you assume... like calling into question something you obviously don't understand...your last line. It doesn't matter who is president or what party is in charge, I and others pledged allegiance to this nation and when I put on that uniform it was to serve and protect everyone regardless of race, religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation...etc., Including you and from all enemies foreign and domestic. Every man and woman who made a commitment to this country serves. When you take the oath everything else is secondary even if you don't like it. You don't choose, you do. You didn't call just me into question with that comment, but you called everyone else that has or is servings loyalty into question. Like we owe you or something...we don't owe you shit. We have already given you our service and, in some cases, lives so you can be some internet dumbass on a forum board that thinks he deserves an answer to every one of his obvious race/religious/political baiting remarks. If you had served you would have never considered that tact.

That's kinda the thing. I have observed your posting habits, and a lot of it does come out if not pro Trump then at least pro Trump causes. And mind you, that is not necessarily pro conservative except in name or identity only, lord knows not in practice. So that's not really leaning towards the middle, that's leaning towards the unraveling of our democracy. That's why I ask, if you are a vet that fought for our rights, why would you support the undoing of them? But let's get into the gritty details which is what I wanted you to discern for yourself. I'll do my best to keep this short.

Let's establish the baseline, without which there's no point in proceeding. Is our democracy at risk because of the previous president and the threat of another term should he swindle his way back in? First, the norms being broken, the outright corruption he exhibited from day one. Monetizing the office and the government to put our money in his pocket and the bank accounts of his businesses. That's an indisputable fact. Second, skipping all the everyday corrupt BS he did on the way in the vein of keeping this post as short as possible, did he try to usurp power by trying to stay in office because he lost the election? Also indisputable, he lost. And as it's unfolding before our eyes via the justice system, there was a multi pronged attack by Trump and his allies to change that outcome by way of fake electors, fake vote counts, fake conspiracy theories, culminating in a violent insurrection at the capitol designed to cause chaos to enable him to stay in power. This is what happened, but if you don't agree with reality, then that tells me all I need to know.

Moving on, your aims or beliefs here. You've shared a lot of things between the two sub forums, but when it comes to politics you lean conspiracy and make believe. Disavow if you can, but you've shared things on the Hunter Biden conspiracy, which is directly linked to Trump loyalists muddying the waters ala Benghazi playbook. Also, sup Cheez, even you're now admitting you can't prove it. You've pushed the echo chamber's narrative against Biden, which is designed to make Trump more appealing by pretending both sides are equally bad so as to make voting for a fascist feasible. You share pro Trump video messages, like black people thinking he's now one of them because he's a criminal. Looking back to why I had to establish a baseline, you share video clips questioning what actually took place at the attack on the capitol. Again, in the aim to keep this as short as possible, your posting habits are why I ask what exactly is your limit when you say you've "never done any of those things." To sum it up, you claim to not be pro Trump or pro cult of "either side." But your behavior pattern is distinctly cultish, you believe what they believe. You push what they push. So, once again, if you've never done any of "those things," exactly where do you draw your line?

Oh, and if you don't think liberals are Nazis, kinda begs the question why you'd share such a meme with all the subtlety of a tank. But yeah, you don't "believe it."

Young man you are missing the point. You are again assuming even after I explained. The vast majority of anything I've shared has been without comment from me unless commented about from another. I understand what you are saying but I have also explained why I posted the majority of these items. To create conversation...the whole point of the forum. Several of the things you mention I posted I find very interesting to myself and in general on how polarizing politics can be. Personally, I like reading different views...I know that's not popular with you but that does not kill democracy. I or any other reasonable person in this country would not like to see democracy unraveled as you speculate. I have stated for the record on many occasions that I don't care for either the far left/far right tactics. What I have gone on the record for is that I like a more moderate approach and as of now both Haley and Kennedy are appealing to me in any upcoming election.


So lets proceed...

Let's establish the baseline, without which there's no point in proceeding. Is our democracy at risk because of the previous president and the threat of another term should he swindle his way back in? First, the norms being broken, the outright corruption he exhibited from day one. Monetizing the office and the government to put our money in his pocket and the bank accounts of his businesses. That's an indisputable fact. Second, skipping all the everyday corrupt BS he did on the way in the vein of keeping this post as short as possible, did he try to usurp power by trying to stay in office because he lost the election? Also indisputable, he lost. And as it's unfolding before our eyes via the justice system, there was a multi pronged attack by Trump and his allies to change that outcome by way of fake electors, fake vote counts, fake conspiracy theories, culminating in a violent insurrection at the capitol designed to cause chaos to enable him to stay in power. This is what happened, but if you don't agree with reality, then that tells me all I need to know.

I believe that we have a major issue, but it lies on both sides. Both families, (Trump and Biden), it would seem have monetized the office to some extent. Business dealings with foreign companies, shell companies, fraud, etc... the evidence and common sense shows both sides have most likely taken advantage of the system in different ways...not just one. The Trumps through overstating income and net worth to obtain loans, and the Bidens with the 20-shell company fiasco that creates no products, no jobs.... basically, nothing that makes any sense other than strip club write offs and questionable e-mails and text.

As elections go...it seems like every election since 2000 has been challenged and the Democrats even challenged Trumps election in 2016 asking for recount ...the difference here in 2020 is that a group of citizens, (call them what you will but they are citizens), legally assembled to protest. What happened after that has been documented by both sides. It should not have happened and could have been more peaceful and avoidable. If it's ultimately decided Trump did incite civil insurrection then yes, he should be punished but along with the leaders who did not let the capital police and National Guard get a handle on this sooner than they did. There is responsibility to go all around here.

As to the Indisputable facts of overturning the election, I think you are being a little premature on that front...that is currently being tried in Georgia with a few more venues to follow. See what the proof is from both sides before you say its indisputable. He had the right to question the returns and request recounts just like Clinton in 2016 with Russian Collusion. You have opinions and that's great...they are not shared by everyone.

Moving on, your aims or beliefs here. You've shared a lot of things between the two sub forums, but when it comes to politics you lean conspiracy and make believe. Disavow if you can, but you've shared things on the Hunter Biden conspiracy, which is directly linked to Trump loyalists muddying the waters ala Benghazi playbook. Also, sup Cheez, even you're now admitting you can't prove it. You've pushed the echo chamber's narrative against Biden, which is designed to make Trump more appealing by pretending both sides are equally bad so as to make voting for a fascist feasible. You share pro Trump video messages, like black people thinking he's now one of them because he's a criminal. Looking back to why I had to establish a baseline, you share video clips questioning what actually took place at the attack on the capitol. Again, in the aim to keep this as short as possible, your posting habits are why I ask what exactly is your limit when you say you've "never done any of those things." To sum it up, you claim to not be pro Trump or pro cult of "either side." But your behavior pattern is distinctly cultish, you believe what they believe. You push what they push. So, once again, if you've never done any of "those things," exactly where do you draw your line?



Oh, and if you don't think liberals are Nazis, kinda begs the question why you'd share such a meme with all the subtlety of a tank. But yeah, you don't "believe it."

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Again...check my first paragraph in response.

The thing about Hunter is that there is so much out there already that he has already become a caricature of himself. I can't decide if he is actually an incompetent addict, aloof to what's around him a/k/a feels privileged, or a complete dumbass. Some of this stuff you cannot make up. The reality is that he brought this down on himself and implicated his family members in an investigation...much like you post about Trump. Anything the Biden's have done much like the Trumps are of their own volition and it doesn't take a political affiliation to see that.

As for the black people remark...that's an interesting issue as more and more are saying publicly that they either like Trump or are voting against the democrat party. That is interesting and could become a big issue in 2024 regardless of Trump or Biden are on the ticket...my best guess is neither of them will be but isn't that worthy of discussion?

If there are videos out there that appear to counter the narrative that everyone on January 6 is a domestic terrorist, would that also be worthy of discussion as someone could be wrongfully accused? That would be a terrible thing...don't you agree?

The posting habits you keep bringing up are pretty much tied to the subjects on the board and there just seems to be so much more material that would appear to be against your beliefs and for that I do apologize...but sometimes those of us in the middle are really interested in what you on the far left and far right think. You could have a take on something that we may have not considered.

Which brings me to the last line about Nazi's and liberals. I do not think all liberals are Nazi's...I think most people have good common sense and don't rely on or need literal facts and figures to guide their every decision in life. I know some very fine people who are conservative leaning and liberal democrats...but some of the stuff that comes out of the ultra left mouths sure sound like them. As I said before if they feel guilty then so be it.

[saltydog]

Is there a word count feature that you and Cheese Man find the need to abuse?

Nice try at "both sides". Maybe CNN can use you as on camera talent.

[Ricrude]

Is there a word count feature that you and Cheese Man find the need to abuse?

Nice try at "both sides". Maybe CNN can use you as on camera talent.

Are they hiring?

[CHEEZY17]

And? Are you new to politics? They want headlines. They have lots of circumstantial evidence. I'd rather they have more even if its just more circumstantial evidence. I want the case to be iron clad with no room for delusional cowards like you to say "Nuh uh!" because they dont want to put the dots together. Its premature because they feel like they have to do something and they want revenge; thats not the same as saying they dont have anything...which is YOUR ridiculous position.

But wait, it's not iron clad already? But you insisted that he's corrupt, that the proof is right there, I mean it's not which is why we've been asking for it for weeks now. But still, you insisted it's all there, and all we have to do is look at it and acknowledge it. So tell us, why is it suddenly not good enough for an impeachment inquiry? Why is it you want more? Something more concrete, I believe you said. In other words, just say it, you don't have evidence Joe Biden is corrupt. You wish you did, after all, you proclaimed his corruption based on nothing except his name and party affiliation. Some of your reps aren't even on board with this, saying the quiet part out loud on tv, no evidence on Joe Biden. F'n dupe, but I told you so.

JFC youre fucking retarded. No, its not "iron clad" because there are dupes like you in the world who think everything is fake because there isnt a video of Shit Show saying "Look everyone, I admit everything!". I would prefer more but that doesnt mean that there isnt already evidence. Every prosecutorial side wants "more" evidence. The more the better. I didnt realize that was a hard concept for you to understand.
There is circumstantial evidence, you simply refuse to acknowledge it...like your refusal to admit the shell companies and their payments to "Biden Brand" accounts are real. Or "give half my salary to pop". Youre a fucking hypocrite, pussy clown show.

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JFC youre fucking retarded. No, its not "iron clad" because there are dupes like you in the world who think everything is fake because there isnt a video of Shit Show saying "Look everyone, I admit everything!". I would prefer more but that doesnt mean that there isnt already evidence. Every prosecutorial side wants "more" evidence. The more the better. I didnt realize that was a hard concept for you to understand.
There is circumstantial evidence, you simply refuse to acknowledge it...like your refusal to admit the shell companies and their payments to "Biden Brand" accounts are real. Or "give half my salary to pop". Youre a fucking hypocrite, pussy clown show.

That's a lot of words to say "No, I and we can't prove Joe Biden is corrupt and took cash for policy." You're dead certain of his guilt, and we should be too because of what you keep insisting proves he's corrupt. But you are not willing to put that on display for the public in a hearing. You say I'm a clown show? Bud, you're the whole goddamn circus.

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Young man you are missing the point. You are again assuming even after I explained. The vast majority of anything I've shared has been without comment from me unless commented about from another. I understand what you are saying but I have also explained why I posted the majority of these items. To create conversation...the whole point of the forum. Several of the things you mention I posted I find very interesting to myself and in general on how polarizing politics can be. Personally, I like reading different views...I know that's not popular with you but that does not kill democracy. I or any other reasonable person in this country would not like to see democracy unraveled as you speculate. I have stated for the record on many occasions that I don't care for either the far left/far right tactics. What I have gone on the record for is that I like a more moderate approach and as of now both Haley and Kennedy are appealing to me in any upcoming election.

No, I don't think I did. You are yet another fairly new posting personality that wants to present himself as above the fray. It's not new, you're just someone doing it this year. And like the vast majority of those presenting as such, the presentation falls away as the layers are peeked behind. In other words, you may want to pretend you're a conservative moderate, but you're posting in support of the extreme. Go on though, let's see what else you got to say.

So lets proceed...

I believe that we have a major issue, but it lies on both sides. Both families, (Trump and Biden), it would seem have monetized the office to some extent. Business dealings with foreign companies, shell companies, fraud, etc... the evidence and common sense shows both sides have most likely taken advantage of the system in different ways...not just one. The Trumps through overstating income and net worth to obtain loans, and the Bidens with the 20-shell company fiasco that creates no products, no jobs.... basically, nothing that makes any sense other than strip club write offs and questionable e-mails and text.

The issue though would be if Joe Biden himself has done so, and there's no evidence of that. Said it before, I'll say it again, nail his son to the wall if you got proof he broke the law but it's a far cry from a civilian doing what he did to a government official and his family also in government monetizing the office for personal gain. Right now, Trump is being held accountable for his actions. The right and the lynch mob would have you hold Joe Biden accountable for Hunter's actions. Big difference.

As elections go...it seems like every election since 2000 has been challenged and the Democrats even challenged Trumps election in 2016 asking for recount ...the difference here in 2020 is that a group of citizens, (call them what you will but they are citizens), legally assembled to protest.

Nope, wrong. Violation, false equivalency. Both parties are fully within their rights to request recounts, pursue legal avenues to challenge an election. The difference in 2020 was a multi pronged plot with many operatives and layers to pull off reversing a valid election result. You did not see Hillary Clinton calling secretaries of state in states she lost asking them to find her votes she did not get. You did not see Al Gore assembling alternate / illegitimate slates of electors to sneak in and cast their votes for him when he did not win a state. And what's more, you did not see any Democrat or Republican until Trump incite an insurrection on our nation's capitol in order to cause enough chaos that he remains in power. Just because he riled up his civilian base to attack the capitol does not excuse his traitorous behavior and as a self declared veteran, you should be appalled at such an action.

What happened after that has been documented by both sides. It should not have happened and could have been more peaceful and avoidable. If it's ultimately decided Trump did incite civil insurrection then yes, he should be punished but along with the leaders who did not let the capital police and National Guard get a handle on this sooner than they did. There is responsibility to go all around here.

If? It unfolded in front of your eyes, in front of all of us. See, this is why we're here, and this is the presentation slipping away as predicted.

As to the Indisputable facts of overturning the election, I think you are being a little premature on that front...that is currently being tried in Georgia with a few more venues to follow. See what the proof is from both sides before you say its indisputable. He had the right to question the returns and request recounts just like Clinton in 2016 with Russian Collusion. You have opinions and that's great...they are not shared by everyone.

Again, unfolded in front of our eyes, or in the case of Georgia, ears. There will be far more details to come as the trials commence but there's a vast chasm of difference between questioning the results and enacting a plot to steal the election from the Georgia voters who voted against him.

Again...check my first paragraph in response.

The thing about Hunter is that there is so much out there already that he has already become a caricature of himself. I can't decide if he is actually an incompetent addict, aloof to what's around him a/k/a feels privileged, or a complete dumbass. Some of this stuff you cannot make up. The reality is that he brought this down on himself and implicated his family members in an investigation...much like you post about Trump. Anything the Biden's have done much like the Trumps are of their own volition and it doesn't take a political affiliation to see that.

As for the black people remark...that's an interesting issue as more and more are saying publicly that they either like Trump or are voting against the democrat party. That is interesting and could become a big issue in 2024 regardless of Trump or Biden are on the ticket...my best guess is neither of them will be but isn't that worthy of discussion?

If there are videos out there that appear to counter the narrative that everyone on January 6 is a domestic terrorist, would that also be worthy of discussion as someone could be wrongfully accused? That would be a terrible thing...don't you agree?

The posting habits you keep bringing up are pretty much tied to the subjects on the board and there just seems to be so much more material that would appear to be against your beliefs and for that I do apologize...but sometimes those of us in the middle are really interested in what you on the far left and far right think. You could have a take on something that we may have not considered.

Which brings me to the last line about Nazi's and liberals. I do not think all liberals are Nazi's...I think most people have good common sense and don't rely on or need literal facts and figures to guide their every decision in life. I know some very fine people who are conservative leaning and liberal democrats...but some of the stuff that comes out of the ultra left mouths sure sound like them. As I said before if they feel guilty then so be it.

Sorry bud, but you're not a middle of the road guy. Neither am I, and it's fine. We've had very few of those come through here, I can literally only think of one that genuinely was right down the middle and no longer remember if he's gone from this world or just the forum. But regardless, we're here because you proclaimed you don't do certain things you never fully detailed, which got me to wondering as to how someone such as yourself comes to find himself aligned with people who actively work against what you fought for.

So yeah, Hunter has made his bed and has to lie in it, but he did so as a civilian and multiple people have gone on the record saying his father had nothing to do with what his son was doing, including Cheezy's star witness business partner of Hunter. Trump and his family got into government and enriched themselves blatantly off of that, the only equivalent we could draw from Joe to Hunter on the Trump side is from Donald to Jr or Eric or the daughter he doesn't acknowledge. I don't think anyone is insane enough to defend those two wastes of DNA in his sons, and to her credit, I don't think anyone has much of a problem with the daughter or Melania's anchor baby.

More black people are gonna remember the sides he took in his racebaiting than are gonna think he's one of them because he got caught and held accountable for his crimes.

You're going to believe a production from the network shill who promoted so much false information that he had to get fired after a multimillion dollar lawsuit against the network was settled? From the guy who was granted access no one else had of the riot and doctored it to present a much more rosy picture? To each their own, but this is the opportunity I wanted to avail to you. This was your chance to stand on the side of reality or choose to stick with traitorous fantasy. You chose.

Which brings me to the final point, what you post and what you believe. I gave you the opportunity to disavow that which you are standing with when you post in support of "conservatives" in the modern age. Normally, I wouldn't care, as I'd already written you off as delusional and Trumpy, easily duped. You added the wrinkle of being a vet, which means if you're being honest with us, you took an oath and fought to defend our country in some shape or form. And because of what the rightwing population in this country now represents, it's becoming more and more clear that runs up against what members of the military fight for in principle if not in practice. Had Trump gotten his way regarding 2020, the majority of people in this country would've had their votes discarded and rendered void. Setting aside every other corrupt thing he's done, and boy is that a list, his plot to usurp power in this country when he lost the election should offend each and every one of us. But it doesn't, and as January 6 proved, there's far too many who will turn to violence and throw away the country they supposedly love in favor of one selfish self-absorbed narcissist criminal asshole.

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JFC youre fucking retarded. No, its not "iron clad" because there are dupes like you in the world who think everything is fake because there isnt a video of Shit Show saying "Look everyone, I admit everything!". I would prefer more but that doesnt mean that there isnt already evidence. Every prosecutorial side wants "more" evidence. The more the better. I didnt realize that was a hard concept for you to understand.
There is circumstantial evidence, you simply refuse to acknowledge it...like your refusal to admit the shell companies and their payments to "Biden Brand" accounts are real. Or "give half my salary to pop". Youre a fucking hypocrite, pussy clown show.

That's a lot of words to say "No, I and we can't prove Joe Biden is corrupt and took cash for policy." You're dead certain of his guilt, and we should be too because of what you keep insisting proves he's corrupt. But you are not willing to put that on display for the public in a hearing. You say I'm a clown show? Bud, you're the whole goddamn circus.

I acknowledge reality: the evidence obtained so far is circumstantial... but it IS evidence. Would I like more? Sure. I'd love for Shit Show to just come clean one day and admit everything but thats unlikely so circumstantial evidence may be the best we get.
You cant even admit the shell companies, that are literally registered in Delaware, are real
You cant even admit that the subpoenaed bank documents are real
You cant even admit what "Give half my salary to pop." means
You cant even admit the oddity of Shit Show weirdly calling Hunter every time there was a "business meeting" [shakedown] to then be placed on speaker phone about 20 different times
You cant even admit the oddity of Shit Show using fake names when emailing Hunter about the business
among others...

On the contrary, I'm happy that this will go out for public consumption so the public can see. IMHO however, I would have waited a bit longer. Thats IS NOT the same as saying they dont have evidence you coward.

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That's a lot of words to say "No, I and we can't prove Joe Biden is corrupt and took cash for policy." You're dead certain of his guilt, and we should be too because of what you keep insisting proves he's corrupt. But you are not willing to put that on display for the public in a hearing. You say I'm a clown show? Bud, you're the whole goddamn circus.

Retconning what you wrote because it goes counter to your narrative must be exhausting for you, Cheez.

[saltydog]

How the hell can someone find so much satisfaction in being so obsessed about a non-elected member of the Presidents family, yet ignore the obvious corruption of the previous regime.

But it's not a cult.

[CHEEZY17]

That's a lot of words to say "No, I and we can't prove Joe Biden is corrupt and took cash for policy." You're dead certain of his guilt, and we should be too because of what you keep insisting proves he's corrupt. But you are not willing to put that on display for the public in a hearing. You say I'm a clown show? Bud, you're the whole goddamn circus.

Retconning what you wrote because it goes counter to your narrative must be exhausting for you, Cheez.

Youre a coward, pussy and clown show. Own it.

[Antknot]

How the hell can someone find so much satisfaction in being so obsessed about a non-elected member of the Presidents family, yet ignore the obvious corruption of the previous regime.

But it's not a cult.

Because Hunter Biden was so stupid to leave the laptop. And the laptop documenting all kinds of crap. That Hunter Biden lied on a federal form to purchase a gun. Apparently he has tax problems. Now come up with something like that on the previous administration.

[Animal]

Retconning what you wrote because it goes counter to your narrative must be exhausting for you, Cheez.

i wish you had the ability to stand back and see how fucking stupid you look.

[Ricrude]

Young man you are missing the point. You are again assuming even after I explained. The vast majority of anything I've shared has been without comment from me unless commented about from another. I understand what you are saying but I have also explained why I posted the majority of these items. To create conversation...the whole point of the forum. Several of the things you mention I posted I find very interesting to myself and in general on how polarizing politics can be. Personally, I like reading different views...I know that's not popular with you but that does not kill democracy. I or any other reasonable person in this country would not like to see democracy unraveled as you speculate. I have stated for the record on many occasions that I don't care for either the far left/far right tactics. What I have gone on the record for is that I like a more moderate approach and as of now both Haley and Kennedy are appealing to me in any upcoming election.

No, I don't think I did. You are yet another fairly new posting personality that wants to present himself as above the fray. It's not new, you're just someone doing it this year. And like the vast majority of those presenting as such, the presentation falls away as the layers are peeked behind. In other words, you may want to pretend you're a conservative moderate, but you're posting in support of the extreme. Go on though, let's see what else you got to say.

So lets proceed...

I believe that we have a major issue, but it lies on both sides. Both families, (Trump and Biden), it would seem have monetized the office to some extent. Business dealings with foreign companies, shell companies, fraud, etc... the evidence and common sense shows both sides have most likely taken advantage of the system in different ways...not just one. The Trumps through overstating income and net worth to obtain loans, and the Bidens with the 20-shell company fiasco that creates no products, no jobs.... basically, nothing that makes any sense other than strip club write offs and questionable e-mails and text.

The issue though would be if Joe Biden himself has done so, and there's no evidence of that. Said it before, I'll say it again, nail his son to the wall if you got proof he broke the law but it's a far cry from a civilian doing what he did to a government official and his family also in government monetizing the office for personal gain. Right now, Trump is being held accountable for his actions. The right and the lynch mob would have you hold Joe Biden accountable for Hunter's actions. Big difference.

As elections go...it seems like every election since 2000 has been challenged and the Democrats even challenged Trumps election in 2016 asking for recount ...the difference here in 2020 is that a group of citizens, (call them what you will but they are citizens), legally assembled to protest.

Nope, wrong. Violation, false equivalency. Both parties are fully within their rights to request recounts, pursue legal avenues to challenge an election. The difference in 2020 was a multi pronged plot with many operatives and layers to pull off reversing a valid election result. You did not see Hillary Clinton calling secretaries of state in states she lost asking them to find her votes she did not get. You did not see Al Gore assembling alternate / illegitimate slates of electors to sneak in and cast their votes for him when he did not win a state. And what's more, you did not see any Democrat or Republican until Trump incite an insurrection on our nation's capitol in order to cause enough chaos that he remains in power. Just because he riled up his civilian base to attack the capitol does not excuse his traitorous behavior and as a self declared veteran, you should be appalled at such an action.

What happened after that has been documented by both sides. It should not have happened and could have been more peaceful and avoidable. If it's ultimately decided Trump did incite civil insurrection then yes, he should be punished but along with the leaders who did not let the capital police and National Guard get a handle on this sooner than they did. There is responsibility to go all around here.

If? It unfolded in front of your eyes, in front of all of us. See, this is why we're here, and this is the presentation slipping away as predicted.

As to the Indisputable facts of overturning the election, I think you are being a little premature on that front...that is currently being tried in Georgia with a few more venues to follow. See what the proof is from both sides before you say its indisputable. He had the right to question the returns and request recounts just like Clinton in 2016 with Russian Collusion. You have opinions and that's great...they are not shared by everyone.

Again, unfolded in front of our eyes, or in the case of Georgia, ears. There will be far more details to come as the trials commence but there's a vast chasm of difference between questioning the results and enacting a plot to steal the election from the Georgia voters who voted against him.

Again...check my first paragraph in response.

The thing about Hunter is that there is so much out there already that he has already become a caricature of himself. I can't decide if he is actually an incompetent addict, aloof to what's around him a/k/a feels privileged, or a complete dumbass. Some of this stuff you cannot make up. The reality is that he brought this down on himself and implicated his family members in an investigation...much like you post about Trump. Anything the Biden's have done much like the Trumps are of their own volition and it doesn't take a political affiliation to see that.

As for the black people remark...that's an interesting issue as more and more are saying publicly that they either like Trump or are voting against the democrat party. That is interesting and could become a big issue in 2024 regardless of Trump or Biden are on the ticket...my best guess is neither of them will be but isn't that worthy of discussion?

If there are videos out there that appear to counter the narrative that everyone on January 6 is a domestic terrorist, would that also be worthy of discussion as someone could be wrongfully accused? That would be a terrible thing...don't you agree?

The posting habits you keep bringing up are pretty much tied to the subjects on the board and there just seems to be so much more material that would appear to be against your beliefs and for that I do apologize...but sometimes those of us in the middle are really interested in what you on the far left and far right think. You could have a take on something that we may have not considered.

Which brings me to the last line about Nazi's and liberals. I do not think all liberals are Nazi's...I think most people have good common sense and don't rely on or need literal facts and figures to guide their every decision in life. I know some very fine people who are conservative leaning and liberal democrats...but some of the stuff that comes out of the ultra left mouths sure sound like them. As I said before if they feel guilty then so be it.

Sorry bud, but you're not a middle of the road guy. Neither am I, and it's fine. We've had very few of those come through here, I can literally only think of one that genuinely was right down the middle and no longer remember if he's gone from this world or just the forum. But regardless, we're here because you proclaimed you don't do certain things you never fully detailed, which got me to wondering as to how someone such as yourself comes to find himself aligned with people who actively work against what you fought for.

So yeah, Hunter has made his bed and has to lie in it, but he did so as a civilian and multiple people have gone on the record saying his father had nothing to do with what his son was doing, including Cheezy's star witness business partner of Hunter. Trump and his family got into government and enriched themselves blatantly off of that, the only equivalent we could draw from Joe to Hunter on the Trump side is from Donald to Jr or Eric or the daughter he doesn't acknowledge. I don't think anyone is insane enough to defend those two wastes of DNA in his sons, and to her credit, I don't think anyone has much of a problem with the daughter or Melania's anchor baby.

More black people are gonna remember the sides he took in his racebaiting than are gonna think he's one of them because he got caught and held accountable for his crimes.

You're going to believe a production from the network shill who promoted so much false information that he had to get fired after a multimillion dollar lawsuit against the network was settled? From the guy who was granted access no one else had of the riot and doctored it to present a much more rosy picture? To each their own, but this is the opportunity I wanted to avail to you. This was your chance to stand on the side of reality or choose to stick with traitorous fantasy. You chose.

Which brings me to the final point, what you post and what you believe. I gave you the opportunity to disavow that which you are standing with when you post in support of "conservatives" in the modern age. Normally, I wouldn't care, as I'd already written you off as delusional and Trumpy, easily duped. You added the wrinkle of being a vet, which means if you're being honest with us, you took an oath and fought to defend our country in some shape or form. And because of what the rightwing population in this country now represents, it's becoming more and more clear that runs up against what members of the military fight for in principle if not in practice. Had Trump gotten his way regarding 2020, the majority of people in this country would've had their votes discarded and rendered void. Setting aside every other corrupt thing he's done, and boy is that a list, his plot to usurp power in this country when he lost the election should offend each and every one of us. But it doesn't, and as January 6 proved, there's far too many who will turn to violence and throw away the country they supposedly love in favor of one selfish self-absorbed narcissist criminal asshole.

Wow...you can't help being judgmental and super opiniated, but that's you. The problem here is that I don't conform to what you believe to be a good patriot or model citizen if I don't have the same ethos or hold the same opinions as you. Sorry, but that's one of the things that makes the country great...the ability to have opposing opinions and discuss them rationally and hopefully come to compromise, but everything I said went in one ear and out the other and was summarily dismissed, so I wasted my time. Thank you for that. I really do appreciate the option or ultimatum to disavow everything I posted so you could be right. Well...no.

Good luck in all your future endeavors.

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Because Hunter Biden was so stupid to leave the laptop. And the laptop documenting all kinds of crap. That Hunter Biden lied on a federal form to purchase a gun. Apparently he has tax problems. Now come up with something like that on the previous administration.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46271021
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/06/trump-s ... iable.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... -rcna65013
https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-see ... 023-09-06/

Important note, you do know Hunter is not and never has been part of the administration, right?

i wish you had the ability to stand back and see how fucking stupid you look.

Maybe I'll humor you, after you stand back and reflect on your ridiculous obstinate stance on fraud.

[Animal]

Maybe I'll humor you, after you stand back and reflect on your ridiculous obstinate stance on fraud.

you mean that ridiculous kind of fraud where you over state your asset values?

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Wow...you can't help being judgmental and super opiniated, but that's you. The problem here is that I don't conform to what you believe to be a good patriot or model citizen if I don't have the same ethos or hold the same opinions as you. Sorry, but that's one of the things that makes the country great...the ability to have opposing opinions and discuss them rationally and hopefully come to compromise, but everything I said went in one ear and out the other and was summarily dismissed, so I wasted my time. Thank you for that. I really do appreciate the option or ultimatum to disavow everything I posted so you could be right. Well...no.

Good luck in all your future endeavors.

You can have different opinions, and you'd be ripe for being criticized over them by those who disagree. Same as me, and they do. Without legs to stand on, but they do. The difference is right here and now, I'm shining a light on what you purport to have fought for, to have defended. Fighting to defend our rights stands contrary to having our rights taken away by criminal conspiracy. I dismiss what you claim because your words (presentation) do not match your actions (posting history). I gave you the brief benefit of the doubt to possibly stand above the degenerates that populate the rightwing now, to reject their anti-American criminal activities and their dehumanizing downward trend. But you're okay with it. Very well then.

you mean that ridiculous kind of fraud where you over state your asset values?

See? Ridiculous and obstinate. Not surprising from someone who would let treason go unpunished because the treasonous has like-minded treasonous allies among the jury pool.

[Ricrude]

Wow...you can't help being judgmental and super opiniated, but that's you. The problem here is that I don't conform to what you believe to be a good patriot or model citizen if I don't have the same ethos or hold the same opinions as you. Sorry, but that's one of the things that makes the country great...the ability to have opposing opinions and discuss them rationally and hopefully come to compromise, but everything I said went in one ear and out the other and was summarily dismissed, so I wasted my time. Thank you for that. I really do appreciate the option or ultimatum to disavow everything I posted so you could be right. Well...no.

Good luck in all your future endeavors.

You can have different opinions, and you'd be ripe for being criticized over them by those who disagree. Same as me, and they do. Without legs to stand on, but they do. The difference is right here and now, I'm shining a light on what you purport to have fought for, to have defended. Fighting to defend our rights stands contrary to having our rights taken away by criminal conspiracy. I dismiss what you claim because your words (presentation) do not match your actions (posting history). I gave you the brief benefit of the doubt to possibly stand above the degenerates that populate the rightwing now, to reject their anti-American criminal activities and their dehumanizing downward trend. But you're okay with it. Very well then.

you mean that ridiculous kind of fraud where you over state your asset values?

See? Ridiculous and obstinate. Not surprising from someone who would let treason go unpunished because the treasonous has like-minded treasonous allies among the jury pool.

You have your opinions and I have mine...but never denigrate service. You don't have to agree with me and I'll respect that. You can call me a degenerate and I'll take it, but never question service...it's what allows us to disagree.

[saltydog]

How the hell can someone find so much satisfaction in being so obsessed about a non-elected member of the Presidents family, yet ignore the obvious corruption of the previous regime.

But it's not a cult.

Because Hunter Biden was so stupid to leave the laptop. And the laptop documenting all kinds of crap. That Hunter Biden lied on a federal form to purchase a gun. Apparently he has tax problems. Now come up with something like that on the previous administration.

Hahahahaha.....


......hahahahahahahaha hahahaha.

[saltydog]

Retconning what you wrote because it goes counter to your narrative must be exhausting for you, Cheez.

i wish you had the ability to stand back and see how fucking stupid you look.

Go find a mirror sometime cement head.

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You have your opinions and I have mine...but never denigrate service. You don't have to agree with me and I'll respect that. You can call me a degenerate and I'll take it, but never question service...it's what allows us to disagree.

And if you'll note, I did not denigrate your or anyone's service. There was no insulting over being a prisoner of war, or any Swiftboating. I strictly take issue with your opinions as is yours and my right, and I call your attention to the degenerates who make up the population of the group you stand with that would throw away and take away our rights.

[saltydog]

How the hell can someone find so much satisfaction in being so obsessed about a non-elected member of the Presidents family, yet ignore the obvious corruption of the previous regime.

But it's not a cult.

Because Hunter Biden was so stupid to leave the laptop. And the laptop documenting all kinds of crap. That Hunter Biden lied on a federal form to purchase a gun. Apparently he has tax problems. Now come up with something like that on the previous administration.

Stop using Daily Caller as a source. You have be deliberately ignorant to think Trump wasn't the most corrupt, immoral administration in US history.

[Animal]

Wow...you can't help being judgmental and super opiniated, but that's you. The problem here is that I don't conform to what you believe to be a good patriot or model citizen if I don't have the same ethos or hold the same opinions as you. Sorry, but that's one of the things that makes the country great...the ability to have opposing opinions and discuss them rationally and hopefully come to compromise, but everything I said went in one ear and out the other and was summarily dismissed, so I wasted my time. Thank you for that. I really do appreciate the option or ultimatum to disavow everything I posted so you could be right. Well...no.

Good luck in all your future endeavors.

You can have different opinions, and you'd be ripe for being criticized over them by those who disagree. Same as me, and they do. Without legs to stand on, but they do. The difference is right here and now, I'm shining a light on what you purport to have fought for, to have defended. Fighting to defend our rights stands contrary to having our rights taken away by criminal conspiracy. I dismiss what you claim because your words (presentation) do not match your actions (posting history). I gave you the brief benefit of the doubt to possibly stand above the degenerates that populate the rightwing now, to reject their anti-American criminal activities and their dehumanizing downward trend. But you're okay with it. Very well then.

you mean that ridiculous kind of fraud where you over state your asset values?

See? Ridiculous and obstinate. Not surprising from someone who would let treason go unpunished because the treasonous has like-minded treasonous allies among the jury pool.

a couple of years ago, I protested an appraisal from the county on one of my property tax estimates. I won my protest, which amounted to them lowering the appraised value almost half a million dollars on that one property.

I had no idea i could have just sued them for fraud, which they openly admitted when they agreed with me and lowered the value.

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a couple of years ago, I protested an appraisal from the county on one of my property tax estimates. I won my protest, which amounted to them lowering the appraised value almost half a million dollars on that one property.

I had no idea i could have just sued them for fraud, which they openly admitted when they agreed with me and lowered the value.

It takes a stubborn disingenuous asshole to see a person / organization commit fraud to cheat everyone they come into contact with, admit the criminal feasibility on one end of it and then completely disavow another arm of it because he can't comprehend how all the moving parts work together towards one goal. Ladies, gentlemen, Biker's transsexual fetish objects, I give you this guy.

[Animal]

a couple of years ago, I protested an appraisal from the county on one of my property tax estimates. I won my protest, which amounted to them lowering the appraised value almost half a million dollars on that one property.

I had no idea i could have just sued them for fraud, which they openly admitted when they agreed with me and lowered the value.

It takes a stubborn disingenuous asshole to see a person / organization commit fraud to cheat everyone they come into contact with, admit the criminal feasibility on one end of it and then completely disavow another arm of it because he can't comprehend how all the moving parts work together towards one goal. Ladies, gentlemen, Biker's transsexual fetish objects, I give you this guy.

i know how badly you want it to be a big crime. but, unfortunately for you, its about like jay walking in the desert. literally no one cares if someone OVER states their asset values. its comical that you think its some big deal.