33yo dad with 30 kids asks for break in child support

[Blast]

Along the lines of this discussion. The gf didn't realize that I had black employees. I had never once mentioned anything about skin color or race. I've always talked about actions because they are what is important. The kid I fired was making shitty choices inspite of me telling him exactly what I needed.

[necronomous]

I mean there is a certain truth to the narrative of systematic racism keeping certain populations chronically in the poverty cycle but for this particular story I dont see how that's a problem here other than hes 33 and still working a minimum wage job, presumably from a lack of education?

The only thing -- the only thing -- keeping people in a poverty cycle is their own stupid life choices.

This is where the cycle part of it comes in. You arent born knowing how to make good choices. If you're absolutely surrounded by people modeling consistently poor choices, its extremely hard to overcome that. Not saying it can't be done but you have to have the insight to realize it and the guidance and motivation to change it. Which, with a limited education and/or a criminal background, is much easier said than done.

So you're saying black people are too stupid to figure out what's right and wrong on their own? They need the white man with privilege to point it out for them huh? This is that backdoor racism I was talking about in the other threads that most liberals do. You think you're not, but really, youre racist.

[VinceBordenIII]

I mean there is a certain truth to the narrative of systematic racism keeping certain populations chronically in the poverty cycle but for this particular story I dont see how that's a problem here other than hes 33 and still working a minimum wage job, presumably from a lack of education?

The only thing -- the only thing -- keeping people in a poverty cycle is their own stupid life choices.

This is where the cycle part of it comes in. You arent born knowing how to make good choices. If you're absolutely surrounded by people modeling consistently poor choices, its extremely hard to overcome that. Not saying it can't be done but you have to have the insight to realize it and the guidance and motivation to change it. Which, with a limited education and/or a criminal background, is much easier said than done.

So you're saying black people are too stupid to figure out what's right and wrong on their own? They need the white man with privilege to point it out for them huh? This is that backdoor racism I was talking about in the other threads that most liberals do. You think you're not, but really, youre racist.

Nope, saying a ship built without a rudder probably ain’t gonna go the way it should.

[necronomous]

I mean there is a certain truth to the narrative of systematic racism keeping certain populations chronically in the poverty cycle but for this particular story I dont see how that's a problem here other than hes 33 and still working a minimum wage job, presumably from a lack of education?

The only thing -- the only thing -- keeping people in a poverty cycle is their own stupid life choices.

This is where the cycle part of it comes in. You arent born knowing how to make good choices. If you're absolutely surrounded by people modeling consistently poor choices, its extremely hard to overcome that. Not saying it can't be done but you have to have the insight to realize it and the guidance and motivation to change it. Which, with a limited education and/or a criminal background, is much easier said than done.

So you're saying black people are too stupid to figure out what's right and wrong on their own? They need the white man with privilege to point it out for them huh? This is that backdoor racism I was talking about in the other threads that most liberals do. You think you're not, but really, youre racist.

Nope, saying a ship built without a rudder probably ain’t gonna go the way it should.

Because there's no way they can figure it out? You seem to totally underestimate minorities. But even still, wouldn't you say that's a need for better education, which would mean a failure in government, not white people.

[Antknot]

I mean there is a certain truth to the narrative of systematic racism keeping certain populations chronically in the poverty cycle but for this particular story I dont see how that's a problem here other than hes 33 and still working a minimum wage job, presumably from a lack of education?

The only thing -- the only thing -- keeping people in a poverty cycle is their own stupid life choices.

This is where the cycle part of it comes in. You arent born knowing how to make good choices. If you're absolutely surrounded by people modeling consistently poor choices, its extremely hard to overcome that. Not saying it can't be done but you have to have the insight to realize it and the guidance and motivation to change it. Which, with a limited education and/or a criminal background, is much easier said than done.

So you're saying black people are too stupid to figure out what's right and wrong on their own? They need the white man with privilege to point it out for them huh? This is that backdoor racism I was talking about in the other threads that most liberals do. You think you're not, but really, youre racist.

Nope, saying a ship built without a rudder probably ain’t gonna go the way it should.

Because there's no way they can figure it out? You seem to totally underestimate minorities. But even still, wouldn't you say that's a need for better education, which would mean a failure in government, not white people.

It's not the school system can't overcome poverty. It's that the school system doesn't get them till thy are 5 or 6. Especially when the parents don't help. I have a couple of cousins who are teachers one of second graders. During parent teacher conferences the Asian and Hispanic parents are there the blacks not so much.

[necronomous]

The only thing -- the only thing -- keeping people in a poverty cycle is their own stupid life choices.

This is where the cycle part of it comes in. You arent born knowing how to make good choices. If you're absolutely surrounded by people modeling consistently poor choices, its extremely hard to overcome that. Not saying it can't be done but you have to have the insight to realize it and the guidance and motivation to change it. Which, with a limited education and/or a criminal background, is much easier said than done.

So you're saying black people are too stupid to figure out what's right and wrong on their own? They need the white man with privilege to point it out for them huh? This is that backdoor racism I was talking about in the other threads that most liberals do. You think you're not, but really, youre racist.

Nope, saying a ship built without a rudder probably ain’t gonna go the way it should.

Because there's no way they can figure it out? You seem to totally underestimate minorities. But even still, wouldn't you say that's a need for better education, which would mean a failure in government, not white people.

It's not the school system can't overcome poverty. It's that the school system doesn't get them till thy are 5 or 6. Especially when the parents don't help. I have a couple of cousins who are teachers one of second graders. During parent teacher conferences the Asian and Hispanic parents are there the blacks not so much.

So you're saying blacks don't know they should be there for their children? Or can't figure it out? Or is it they know they should, but they choose not to? I think they are smart enough to know, they just choose not to for the most part.

[CHEEZY17]

The soft bigotry of low expectations...

[Animal]

last i checked, they don't let you bring a crack pipe to the PTA meetings.

[Antknot]

This is where the cycle part of it comes in. You arent born knowing how to make good choices. If you're absolutely surrounded by people modeling consistently poor choices, its extremely hard to overcome that. Not saying it can't be done but you have to have the insight to realize it and the guidance and motivation to change it. Which, with a limited education and/or a criminal background, is much easier said than done.

So you're saying black people are too stupid to figure out what's right and wrong on their own? They need the white man with privilege to point it out for them huh? This is that backdoor racism I was talking about in the other threads that most liberals do. You think you're not, but really, youre racist.

Nope, saying a ship built without a rudder probably ain’t gonna go the way it should.

Because there's no way they can figure it out? You seem to totally underestimate minorities. But even still, wouldn't you say that's a need for better education, which would mean a failure in government, not white people.

It's not the school system can't overcome poverty. It's that the school system doesn't get them till thy are 5 or 6. Especially when the parents don't help. I have a couple of cousins who are teachers one of second graders. During parent teacher conferences the Asian and Hispanic parents are there the blacks not so much.

So you're saying blacks don't know they should be there for their children? Or can't figure it out? Or is it they know they should, but they choose not to? I think they are smart enough to know, they just choose not to for the most part.

60 years of "The government will take care of it" coupled with "everybody must go to college" and the demise of trade schools. Hell in the 70's when I was in high school they didn't even talk about personal finances or the evils of ready credit.

[necronomous]

So you're saying black people are too stupid to figure out what's right and wrong on their own? They need the white man with privilege to point it out for them huh? This is that backdoor racism I was talking about in the other threads that most liberals do. You think you're not, but really, youre racist.

Nope, saying a ship built without a rudder probably ain’t gonna go the way it should.

Because there's no way they can figure it out? You seem to totally underestimate minorities. But even still, wouldn't you say that's a need for better education, which would mean a failure in government, not white people.

It's not the school system can't overcome poverty. It's that the school system doesn't get them till thy are 5 or 6. Especially when the parents don't help. I have a couple of cousins who are teachers one of second graders. During parent teacher conferences the Asian and Hispanic parents are there the blacks not so much.

So you're saying blacks don't know they should be there for their children? Or can't figure it out? Or is it they know they should, but they choose not to? I think they are smart enough to know, they just choose not to for the most part.

60 years of "The government will take care of it" coupled with "everybody must go to college" and the demise of trade schools. Hell in the 70's when I was in high school they didn't even talk about personal finances or the evils of ready credit.

I'm not saying that's not occurring, I'm saying they are still smart enough to know what's right. But here is your example, they didn't teach personal finances, but are you bad with your finances?

[VinceBordenIII]

I mean there is a certain truth to the narrative of systematic racism keeping certain populations chronically in the poverty cycle but for this particular story I dont see how that's a problem here other than hes 33 and still working a minimum wage job, presumably from a lack of education?

The only thing -- the only thing -- keeping people in a poverty cycle is their own stupid life choices.

This is where the cycle part of it comes in. You arent born knowing how to make good choices. If you're absolutely surrounded by people modeling consistently poor choices, its extremely hard to overcome that. Not saying it can't be done but you have to have the insight to realize it and the guidance and motivation to change it. Which, with a limited education and/or a criminal background, is much easier said than done.

So you're saying black people are too stupid to figure out what's right and wrong on their own? They need the white man with privilege to point it out for them huh? This is that backdoor racism I was talking about in the other threads that most liberals do. You think you're not, but really, youre racist.

Nope, saying a ship built without a rudder probably ain’t gonna go the way it should.

Because there's no way they can figure it out? You seem to totally underestimate minorities. But even still, wouldn't you say that's a need for better education, which would mean a failure in government, not white people.

I ain't blaming whitey, except that our policies have unintentionally hut the people we try to help.
Truth is, no matter the race, when you see some kid being raised in poverty and ignorance, the best solution would be to remove them from their home and sterilize the parents. Not that I'm suggesting it.

[VinceBordenIII]

Because there's no way they can figure it out? You seem to totally underestimate minorities.

(note: this is all my own speculation)

It is not realistic to expect someone raised in a toxic environment, with no positive role models, to correct their own makeup.
Sure, there is that rare person who somehow is self-sufficient, and able to come out OK, but that's not what you're going to get, mostly
Also, this is not about race.

[Animal]

if all of this is true, then why is so much time and money spent trying to rehabilitate prisoners and then letting them out of jail?

[necronomous]

Because there's no way they can figure it out? You seem to totally underestimate minorities.

(note: this is all my own speculation)

It is not realistic to expect someone raised in a toxic environment, with no positive role models, to correct their own makeup.
Sure, there is that rare person who somehow is self-sufficient, and able to come out OK, but that's not what you're going to get, mostly
Also, this is not about race.

Of course I can reasonably expect it. And I do.

[Antknot]

Nope, saying a ship built without a rudder probably ain’t gonna go the way it should.

Because there's no way they can figure it out? You seem to totally underestimate minorities. But even still, wouldn't you say that's a need for better education, which would mean a failure in government, not white people.

It's not the school system can't overcome poverty. It's that the school system doesn't get them till thy are 5 or 6. Especially when the parents don't help. I have a couple of cousins who are teachers one of second graders. During parent teacher conferences the Asian and Hispanic parents are there the blacks not so much.

So you're saying blacks don't know they should be there for their children? Or can't figure it out? Or is it they know they should, but they choose not to? I think they are smart enough to know, they just choose not to for the most part.

60 years of "The government will take care of it" coupled with "everybody must go to college" and the demise of trade schools. Hell in the 70's when I was in high school they didn't even talk about personal finances or the evils of ready credit.

I'm not saying that's not occurring, I'm saying they are still smart enough to know what's right. But here is your example, they didn't teach personal finances, but are you bad with your finances?

No. Because my parents taught me.

[necronomous]

Because there's no way they can figure it out? You seem to totally underestimate minorities. But even still, wouldn't you say that's a need for better education, which would mean a failure in government, not white people.

It's not the school system can't overcome poverty. It's that the school system doesn't get them till thy are 5 or 6. Especially when the parents don't help. I have a couple of cousins who are teachers one of second graders. During parent teacher conferences the Asian and Hispanic parents are there the blacks not so much.

So you're saying blacks don't know they should be there for their children? Or can't figure it out? Or is it they know they should, but they choose not to? I think they are smart enough to know, they just choose not to for the most part.

60 years of "The government will take care of it" coupled with "everybody must go to college" and the demise of trade schools. Hell in the 70's when I was in high school they didn't even talk about personal finances or the evils of ready credit.

I'm not saying that's not occurring, I'm saying they are still smart enough to know what's right. But here is your example, they didn't teach personal finances, but are you bad with your finances?

No. Because my parents taught me.

Exactly