Bad day for Boeing

[AnalHamster]

Beoing has fired the CEO over the 737 mess. Maybe the next one will continue sending biker secret emails with fake news though.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50893490

[Charliesheen]

That's what boards are for. Let the CEO fly like an eagle, until he doesn't.

[AnalHamster]

Beoing has fired the CEO over the 737 mess. Maybe the next one will continue sending biker secret emails with fake news though.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50893490

Yeah, they cant get their shit together and its hurting the airlines. United has delayed 737s until June. (Quick, head to Google!!!!)

He's been telling the airlines they'll be back flying any day now for ten months. They won't be, because it's a lemon. They could fly it if they finally admit that it's a significantly different aircraft requiring additional training and certification, and the retraining would actually be cheaper than the delay. I expect the next CEO will grasp that fairly soon. This whole saga has been based on their need not to retrain pilots to boost sales, it's why MCAS was introduced in the first place.

[AnalHamster]

Boeing finally caves and admits yes, pilots need additional training to deal with the problems they built in to their lemon -
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/busi ... ining.html

That should get them over, I'd expect the max to be flying again within 6 months now they have finally admitted airlines need to spend millions retraining pilots. It'll take longer than that to simulator train all the pilots though, because the simulator producers can't meet demand in the short term, but still, a slow ramp up to full use of the existing planes is now on the way. A large part of this whole disaster for Boeing was their insistence that their lemon could be flown by any 737 pilot with a spare hour and an ipad. It would still have been a deathtrap with additional training before the software fixes, and it will still be one of the more dangerous airplanes to fly, but admitting they fucked up and pilots do need training to deal with the fuckup after all will bring it within the safety envelope and get them airborne again. If all the sales contract are like the one they signed with SouthWest, they'll only owe an extra $1 million per plane sold for the training, way cheaper than continuing to pretend no additional training is required.

I'm going to look into buying a little stock at this point, still risky for further shocks but probably nearing or at the bottom. At least close enough to it that over a few years recovery it's a damn good buy even if new shit does come out.

[AnalHamster]

Boeing finally caves and admits yes, pilots need additional training
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/busi ... ining.html

Gee, where have I heard that before? Oh thats right.....

Pilot training is the key. The EA first officer only had 300 hours

Trying to pretend you weren't arguing with me when I flagged this up right at the start and you were pretending it was all explained in secret CEO emails?

The root cause seems to be boeing trying to game the system. Airbus came out with a more efficient model, so boeing popped more efficient engines on basically the same plane to compete, which introduced a potential stall problem the old plane didn't have because the size and placement of the engines would tend to force the nose up. That change would have required retraining qualified 737 pilots on the new version, which is expensive and loses a competitive edge with customers who already employ 737 pilots. So instead they introduced the kamikaze dive as an automatic fix. No need to retrain if the problem fixes itself. Oops.

[Stapes]

Do you mean Biker still hasn't paid up? What a fucking welcher.

[AnalHamster]

Do you mean Biker still hasn't paid up? What a fucking welcher.

Yeah he's still pretending he doesn't understand what happened. It's kind odd since the Boeing CEO got it and got sacked for it, and had a direct email line to welchin' biker to explain it, but welchin' biker needs some more time.

[Stapes]

[AnalHamster]

"Pretty simple, faulty sensor data causing MCAS to repeatedly activate sending the plane into repeated dives to correct non existent stalls was a major factor in both crashes. One month avatar with the crash investigation report being decisive, null and void if no cause determined."

Hey I'll tell you what welchin' biker, since we now have one final crash report and two preliminary crash reports all agreeing MCAS was a major factor, how about I offer a wee modification - you concede in the face of overwhelming decisive evidence and it somehow turns out that the final crash report on the final crash disagrees with the preliminary report on that same crash, then you can choose my avatar for all time, altering it whenever you wish in perpetuity. Or keep welchin', but I do think it's kinda affecting your rep at this point, welcher.

Otherwise you man the fuck up and stop welchin'. Thoughts?

[AnalHamster]

Do you mean Biker still hasn't paid up? What a fucking welcher.

Yeah he's still pretending he doesn't understand what happened. It's kind odd since the Boeing CEO got it and got sacked for it, and had a direct email line to welchin' biker to explain it, but welchin' biker needs some more time.

Oh, you think thats why he was fired?

Yes, he was fired for mishandling the max debacle. Boeing said as much. They probably didn't have your secret made up email source though.

[AnalHamster]

"Pretty simple, faulty sensor data causing MCAS to repeatedly activate sending the plane into repeated dives to correct non existent stalls was a major factor in both crashes. One month avatar with the crash investigation report being decisive, null and void if no cause determined."

Hey I'll tell you what welchin' biker, since we now have one final crash report and two preliminary crash reports all agreeing MCAS was a major factor, how about I offer a wee modification - you concede in the face of overwhelming decisive evidence and it somehow turns out that the final crash report on the final crash disagrees with the preliminary report on that same crash, then you can choose my avatar for all time, altering it whenever you wish in perpetuity. Or keep welchin', but I do think it's kinda affecting your rep at this point, welcher.

Otherwise you man the fuck up and stop welchin'. Thoughts?

So you would like to change the rules that you established in the beginning? Sure, but it will cost you

I'm offering you additional penalties on me if the absolutely 100% clear established resulted you deny in your welching somehow impossibly turned out to not be the case, it's just a narrow offer to shortcut to limit the time of your welching though. We both know that the MCAS system was an major factor in both crashes already, the preliminary reports and the first final report says so, boeing says so, really the only person in the world still denying it is you, which is because you are welching.

[AnalHamster]

I am sticking to what I laid out, welcher. I'm saying if you genuinely believed your sad welching claims I'm willing to sweeten the pot by giving you my avatar unconditionally forever and my firstborn son, it's really that certain at this point. You're just doing what I am calling a time delay welch. I expect you will finally admit defeat when the second final report finally comes out, i'm just saying you are a slimy sad little welcher because you refuse to admit defeat at the point you know to an absolute certainty you were defeated, which was about a year back now. Welchin' biker.

[AnalHamster]

I am sticking to what I laid out, welcher. I'm saying if you genuinely believed your sad welching claims I'm willing to sweeten the pot by giving you my avatar unconditionally forever and my firstborn son, it's really that certain at this point. You're just doing what I am calling a time delay welch. I expect you will finally admit defeat when the second final report finally comes out, i'm just saying you are a slimy sad little welcher because you refuse to admit defeat at the point you know to an absolute certainty you were defeated, which was about a year back now. Welchin' biker.

I tell you what; Im willing to break the terms that you laid out and admit defeat via the PRELIMINARY report. However, it will cost you 15 days.

Your call, dodger

Nope, if you want to expose yourself as a sad little welcher a little longer, welch away. Welcher.

[AnalHamster]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... l-messages

'Designed by clowns' who were 'supervised by monkeys', Boeing employees comments on the Max. Also more chatter about how they lobbied the FAA to avoid requiring additional simulator training for pilots.

[Charliesheen]

Here's why AH spends so much time bashing a crown jewel of American technology leadership.

This is the British legacy to the aviation biz:

The Comet is widely regarded both as an adventurous step forward and a supreme tragedy; nevertheless, the aircraft's legacy does include numerous advances in aircraft design and in accident investigations. The inquiries into the accidents that plagued the Comet 1 were perhaps some of the most extensive and revolutionary that have ever taken place, establishing precedents in accident investigation;

Maybe if the English hadn't fucked over the Persians so much they'd trust them with the black boxes, instead of their buddies the French.

[AnalHamster]

Here's why AH spends so much time bashing a crown jewel of American technology leadership.

This is the British legacy to the aviation biz:

The Comet is widely regarded both as an adventurous step forward and a supreme tragedy; nevertheless, the aircraft's legacy does include numerous advances in aircraft design and in accident investigations. The inquiries into the accidents that plagued the Comet 1 were perhaps some of the most extensive and revolutionary that have ever taken place, establishing precedents in accident investigation;

Maybe if the English hadn't fucked over the Persians so much they'd trust them with the black boxes, instead of their buddies the French.

We're one of the home markets for airbus dimmy, it's a joint european venture.

[Charliesheen]

I know that Patches.

It took an entire continent to put up something decent against Boeing

[Charliesheen]

Something Brazil was able to do.

[Charliesheen]

Boeing’s new CEO poised to cash in.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-c ... 697.html[b][/b]

[FSchmertz]

Boeing’s new CEO poised to cash in.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-c ... 697.html[b][/b]

bad link?

[AnalHamster]

Biker's new avatar, coming this week-
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/bus ... 08181.html

[Stapes]

Biker's new avatar, coming this week-
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/bus ... 08181.html

I'm sure he will find a loophole...….the fucking welcher

[AnalHamster]

Biker's new avatar, coming this week-
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/bus ... 08181.html

That’s not the final report

Didn't say it was, it's a report that the final report is finally being reported this week, and saying I was right, you were wrong and that's gonna be your avatar.

[AnalHamster]

Biker's new avatar, coming this week-
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/bus ... 08181.html

That’s not the final report

Didn't say it was, it's a report that the final report is finally being reported this week, and saying I was right, you were wrong and that's gonna be your avatar.

The bet is final report, not the report that a Hammy deems sufficien

Yes, the one that will finally be out this week and say what you already know it will. Time is running out on the time welch..

[AnalHamster]

Aww, it's only an interim report. It does of course confirm the failure of the AOA, failure of the AOA warning light (what welchin' biker calls "a redundant system"), and that MCAS crashed the plane, but that's not gonna be enough for welchin' biker. I'm guessing the timewelch continues..
http://www.aib.gov.et/wp-content/upload ... 202020.pdf