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Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:31 am
by AnalHamster
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:14 am
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:15 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:04 am
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:54 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:49 am
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:36 am
An asylee who applies at a port of entry is taken to the same processing centres as one who walks up to the first border Gerard they see and makes the claim from us soil. One has followed legal procedure fully, the other has committed a misdemeanor, they're both going to the same concentration camps.
Do you think that is the only way to be a "legal immigrant"?
Nope, I think it is a way to be a legal immigrant, and one that lands you in a concentration camp with the hardened misdemeanors. Someone claiming asylum at a port of entry is following the law.
That is indeed one of the legal ways and a way that was shown by my article to be in need of a desperate overhaul. What exactly are your problems with Zakaria's outline?
A person that doesnt just show up at the border and goes through the application process will not have to be detained.
https://www.usa.gov/become-us-citizen
Legal immigrants are being detained with the ones who commit a misdemeanor. You denied that was happening in order to justify the concentration camps. Don't just pick up the goalposts and run away, think about why you were wrong, think about the new information you have and what it means to the conclusions you drew on false information. Think.
I'd also point out that the children in the child concentration camps are not criminally responsible, being children. Or 'tender age' in the words of the propaganda ministry. And also, someone who can sit patiently for years going through an application process isn't applying for asylum, except perhaps from a refugee camp. Duh.
You want to deny that there is a way to become a citizen without being detained.
Nope, that is a lie directly contradicted by the posts you pretended to respond to. I pointed out there are people being detained in the concentration camps who are not guilty of anything, including the children. If you can acknowledge this and respond without lying about what it says we can move on to your unrelated criticisms of the asylum system. If you're going to just flat out lie about what I said I'm not going to let you continue pretending to have a discussion.
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:33 am
by CaptQuint
When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality. ¬Russell Brand
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:55 am
by CHEEZY17
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:31 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:14 am
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:15 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:04 am
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:54 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:49 am
Do you think that is the only way to be a "legal immigrant"?
Nope, I think it is a way to be a legal immigrant, and one that lands you in a concentration camp with the hardened misdemeanors. Someone claiming asylum at a port of entry is following the law.
That is indeed one of the legal ways and a way that was shown by my article to be in need of a desperate overhaul. What exactly are your problems with Zakaria's outline?
A person that doesnt just show up at the border and goes through the application process will not have to be detained.
https://www.usa.gov/become-us-citizen
Legal immigrants are being detained with the ones who commit a misdemeanor. You denied that was happening in order to justify the concentration camps. Don't just pick up the goalposts and run away, think about why you were wrong, think about the new information you have and what it means to the conclusions you drew on false information. Think.
I'd also point out that the children in the child concentration camps are not criminally responsible, being children. Or 'tender age' in the words of the propaganda ministry. And also, someone who can sit patiently for years going through an application process isn't applying for asylum, except perhaps from a refugee camp. Duh.
You want to deny that there is a way to become a citizen without being detained.
Nope, that is a lie directly contradicted by the posts you pretended to respond to. I pointed out there are people being detained in the concentration camps who are not guilty of anything, including the children. If you can acknowledge this and respond without lying about what it says we can move on to your unrelated criticisms of the asylum system. If you're going to just flat out lie about what I said I'm not going to let you continue pretending to have a discussion.
Christ you are tedious. The thread and exchange is not very long so it is very easy to see where you are having trouble. This exchange seems to be the one you are having difficulty with:
antknot wrote:Trump did not say "Fuck immigrants" he essentially said "Fuck illegal immigrants". There is a difference.
Visionary Eric then responded:
visionary Eric wrote:Uh, no.
Which I then responded with:
cheezy wrote:Except in the, you know, literal definition. In fact, they have entire laws written that describe exactly what each are. Why exactly do you think they're the same?
Unfortunately for you, that statement is true, factual and accurate. Nowhere in that statement does it say asylum seekers are illegal or guilty of anything. The statement is also buttressed by the fact that it is indeed accurate in the context of illegal vs legal immigration as a whole; which that conversation was.
Now, a normal person would just say: "Oops, sorry mate, I thought you meant something else." but youre not a normal person.You are a needy baby. You have a pathetic need to try and pull a "gotcha" where none exists. Its kinda sad. Visionary Eric had no trouble understanding the perfectly clear wording as he replied in exactly the correct manner corresponding to his position.
Visionary Eric wrote:There's a difference, but Trump isn't making one.
Its interesting and telling that you delete his quote. The logical reason for you deleting his quote in the conversation is that he answered it correctly and you wanted to make my statement into something it is not and his correct response hinders your obfuscation. Try to just be a man, put on your big boy pants and understand where you went wrong. Its pretty easy to do if you reread the exchange. Give it a try, champ.
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:32 pm
by AnalHamster
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:55 am
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:31 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:14 am
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:15 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:04 am
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:54 am
Nope, I think it is a way to be a legal immigrant, and one that lands you in a concentration camp with the hardened misdemeanors. Someone claiming asylum at a port of entry is following the law.
That is indeed one of the legal ways and a way that was shown by my article to be in need of a desperate overhaul. What exactly are your problems with Zakaria's outline?
A person that doesnt just show up at the border and goes through the application process will not have to be detained.
https://www.usa.gov/become-us-citizen
Legal immigrants are being detained with the ones who commit a misdemeanor. You denied that was happening in order to justify the concentration camps. Don't just pick up the goalposts and run away, think about why you were wrong, think about the new information you have and what it means to the conclusions you drew on false information. Think.
I'd also point out that the children in the child concentration camps are not criminally responsible, being children. Or 'tender age' in the words of the propaganda ministry. And also, someone who can sit patiently for years going through an application process isn't applying for asylum, except perhaps from a refugee camp. Duh.
You want to deny that there is a way to become a citizen without being detained.
Nope, that is a lie directly contradicted by the posts you pretended to respond to. I pointed out there are people being detained in the concentration camps who are not guilty of anything, including the children. If you can acknowledge this and respond without lying about what it says we can move on to your unrelated criticisms of the asylum system. If you're going to just flat out lie about what I said I'm not going to let you continue pretending to have a discussion.
Christ you are tedious. The thread and exchange is not very long so it is very easy to see where you are having trouble. This exchange seems to be the one you are having difficulty with:
antknot wrote:Trump did not say "Fuck immigrants" he essentially said "Fuck illegal immigrants". There is a difference.
Visionary Eric then responded:
visionary Eric wrote:Uh, no.
Which I then responded with:
cheezy wrote:Except in the, you know, literal definition. In fact, they have entire laws written that describe exactly what each are. Why exactly do you think they're the same?
Unfortunately for you, that statement is true, factual and accurate. Nowhere in that statement does it say asylum seekers are illegal or guilty of anything. The statement is also buttressed by the fact that it is indeed accurate in the context of illegal vs legal immigration as a whole; which that conversation was.
Now, a normal person would just say: "Oops, sorry mate, I thought you meant something else." but youre not a normal person.You are a needy baby. You have a pathetic need to try and pull a "gotcha" where none exists. Its kinda sad. Visionary Eric had no trouble understanding the perfectly clear wording as he replied in exactly the correct manner corresponding to his position.
Visionary Eric wrote:There's a difference, but Trump isn't making one.
Its interesting and telling that you delete his quote. The logical reason for you deleting his quote in the conversation is that he answered it correctly and you wanted to make my statement into something it is not and his correct response hinders your obfuscation. Try to just be a man, put on your big boy pants and understand where you went wrong. Its pretty easy to do if you reread the exchange. Give it a try, champ.
I replied to your quote because I was replying to your quote dummy. There are both legal and illegal immigrants being held in the concentration camps, are you now admitting that? That's what I said in the post that you've been disputing all this time, if you really thought you'd been arguing something different with a different person, kinda your bad no?
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:40 pm
by CHEEZY17
Sorry, champ. I'm not going to get into a 10 page bore fest with you. My statements are right there and they are clear. Its not my fault you inferred something unintended.
cheezy wrote:Now, a normal person would just say: "Oops, sorry mate, I thought you meant something else." but youre not a normal person.You are a needy baby. You have a pathetic need to try and pull a "gotcha" where none exists.
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:00 pm
by AnalHamster
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:40 pm
Sorry, champ. I'm not going to get into a 10 page bore fest with you. My statements are right there and they are clear. Its not my fault you inferred something unintended.
cheezy wrote:Now, a normal person would just say: "Oops, sorry mate, I thought you meant something else." but youre not a normal person.You are a needy baby. You have a pathetic need to try and pull a "gotcha" where none exists.
Your continued refusal to answer a simple question indicates you know the answer is yes. Try and give that some thought.
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:01 pm
by beagleboy
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:40 pm
Sorry, champ. I'm not going to get into a 10 page bore fest with you. My statements are right there and they are clear. Its not my fault you inferred something unintended.
cheezy wrote:Now, a normal person would just say: "Oops, sorry mate, I thought you meant something else." but youre not a normal person.You are a needy baby. You have a pathetic need to try and pull a "gotcha" where none exists.
Are you refusing to answer his questions?
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:04 pm
by AnalHamster
beagleboy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:01 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:40 pm
Sorry, champ. I'm not going to get into a 10 page bore fest with you. My statements are right there and they are clear. Its not my fault you inferred something unintended.
cheezy wrote:Now, a normal person would just say: "Oops, sorry mate, I thought you meant something else." but youre not a normal person.You are a needy baby. You have a pathetic need to try and pull a "gotcha" where none exists.
Are you refusing to answer his questions?
What questions?
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:26 am
by AnalHamster
My sad cheerleaders should start a fan club. Ask me a question if you have one.
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:09 am
by CaptQuint
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:26 am
My sad cheerleaders should start a fan club. Ask me a question if you have one.
How did Alfred Thayer Mahan's The Influence of Sea Power upon History, 1660-1783 change the world?
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:47 am
by AnalHamster
CaptQuint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:09 am
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:26 am
My sad cheerleaders should start a fan club. Ask me a question if you have one.
How did Alfred Thayer Mahan's The Influence of Sea Power upon History, 1660-1783 change the world?
Dunno, never heard of it.
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:02 am
by CaptQuint
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:47 am
CaptQuint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:09 am
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:26 am
My sad cheerleaders should start a fan club. Ask me a question if you have one.
How did Alfred Thayer Mahan's The Influence of Sea Power upon History, 1660-1783 change the world?
Dunno, never heard of it.
Highly recommended, It was a favorite of Teddy Roosevelt and Kaiser Wilhelm II. Many say it led to the naval arms race before WWI
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:46 pm
by CHEEZY17
Obama builds and uses them, cages and all = Detention Centers
Trump uses them = CONCENTRATION FUCKING CAMPS!!!!11!1
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:58 pm
by AnalHamster
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:46 pm
Obama builds and uses them, cages and all = Detention Centers
Trump uses them = CONCENTRATION FUCKING CAMPS!!!!11!1
Trump stuffs 41 into a cell built for 8, 155 into a space made for 35, conditions tortuously crowded that detainees stand on the toilets to get some breathing space. The difference is in the conditions and the motivation behind those conditions, which trump has intentionally made punitive. A cattle car with cows in it isn't the same beast as one stuffed with standing room only jews is it.
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:16 pm
by necronomous
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:58 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:46 pm
Obama builds and uses them, cages and all = Detention Centers
Trump uses them = CONCENTRATION FUCKING CAMPS!!!!11!1
Trump stuffs 41 into a cell built for 8, 155 into a space made for 35, conditions tortuously crowded that detainees stand on the toilets to get some breathing space. The difference is in the conditions and the motivation behind those conditions, which trump has intentionally made punitive. A cattle car with cows in it isn't the same beast as one stuffed with standing room only jews is it.
So trump himself has mandated all this?
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:33 pm
by AnalHamster
He's too incompetent for the details, I suspect it was Sessions and Kelly who came up with the detaining everyone plan without bothering to put resources in place to handle it. Those guys were competent, so I doubt the glaring oversight of not increasing space to handle to increase in detentions therefore creating the overcrowding was just incompetence. We already know they thought child separation made a good policy as a deterrent. It's actually the same way hitler worked, he was a big picture guy who let the subordinates work out the details.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/ ... t-children
Read that and tell me you aren't ashamed of what your country is doing to those children.
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:09 am
by CaptQuint
Who is the captain of this ship? Where does the buck stop?
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:24 am
by necronomous
CaptQuint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:09 am
Who is the captain of this ship? Where does the buck stop?
ok
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:32 am
by CaptQuint
Typical cunty nonanswer
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:33 am
by AnalHamster
You should just tell him 'ok run along' when he pussies out like that. Seems to bother him.
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:37 am
by CaptQuint
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:33 am
You should just tell him 'ok run along' when he pussies out like that. Seems to bother him.
Well your "How about you answer the question" tact doesn't work well on this board.
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:10 am
by necronomous
CaptQuint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:32 am
Typical cunty nonanswer
ok
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:28 am
by CHEEZY17
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:37 am
by CaptQuint
Yes, but do not stack them in cages like cordwood
Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:41 pm
by B-Tender
Biker wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:39 pm
