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When this is over, providing there was no real collusion, I am hoping for a real investigation into the justice department and fbi people who brought about this case in the first place. The initial report that was shopped around to media and doj, the requests for unmasking of names, the wiretaps, the whole shebang.
You mean the most successful Special Counsel investigation in history?VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:43 amWhen this is over, providing there was no real collusion, I am hoping for a real investigation into the justice department and fbi people who brought about this case in the first place. The initial report that was shopped around to media and doj, the requests for unmasking of names, the wiretaps, the whole shebang.
I don’t think it will happen, though.
Seriously now, just what the fuck is wrong with you? Russian interference in your election has been exposed, with multiple agents of the russian intelligence service indicted. A bunch of trump's election team including his campaign manager and national security adviser are in prison for lying about their contacts with hostile foreign governments.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:43 amWhen this is over, providing there was no real collusion, I am hoping for a real investigation into the justice department and fbi people who brought about this case in the first place. The initial report that was shopped around to media and doj, the requests for unmasking of names, the wiretaps, the whole shebang.
I don’t think it will happen, though.
Why? From who?WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:55 pm Just heard that the jump lane at the Golden Gate Bridge has a 2 hour wait line.
You seem upset.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:59 amSeriously now, just what the fuck is wrong with you? Russian interference in your election has been exposed, with multiple agents of the russian intelligence service indicted. A bunch of trump's election team including his campaign manager and national security adviser are in prison for lying about their contacts with hostile foreign governments.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:43 amWhen this is over, providing there was no real collusion, I am hoping for a real investigation into the justice department and fbi people who brought about this case in the first place. The initial report that was shopped around to media and doj, the requests for unmasking of names, the wiretaps, the whole shebang.
I don’t think it will happen, though.
And you want an investigation into why there was an investigation?
We don't know yet what Mueller has found in addition to all the convictions and indictments, we sure as shit know he found a lot already. You poor fucking dupe.
Nope, just nonplussed. Is it that you are unaware of the results to date? I don't understand how the trump propaganda is duping you here. Should we let everyone out of prison and drop the indictments against the GRU agents if individual 1 doesn't get indicted too?VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:26 pmYou seem upset.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:59 amSeriously now, just what the fuck is wrong with you? Russian interference in your election has been exposed, with multiple agents of the russian intelligence service indicted. A bunch of trump's election team including his campaign manager and national security adviser are in prison for lying about their contacts with hostile foreign governments.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:43 amWhen this is over, providing there was no real collusion, I am hoping for a real investigation into the justice department and fbi people who brought about this case in the first place. The initial report that was shopped around to media and doj, the requests for unmasking of names, the wiretaps, the whole shebang.
I don’t think it will happen, though.
And you want an investigation into why there was an investigation?
We don't know yet what Mueller has found in addition to all the convictions and indictments, we sure as shit know he found a lot already. You poor fucking dupe.
From what I've read, which I will freely admit could be biased or straight up wrong since no one wants to report objectively, a number of the convictions the Mueller got were fairly dubious perjury traps and because the people he went after simply ran out of money to defend themselves.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:59 amSeriously now, just what the fuck is wrong with you? Russian interference in your election has been exposed, with multiple agents of the russian intelligence service indicted. A bunch of trump's election team including his campaign manager and national security adviser are in prison for lying about their contacts with hostile foreign governments.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:43 amWhen this is over, providing there was no real collusion, I am hoping for a real investigation into the justice department and fbi people who brought about this case in the first place. The initial report that was shopped around to media and doj, the requests for unmasking of names, the wiretaps, the whole shebang.
I don’t think it will happen, though.
And you want an investigation into why there was an investigation?
We don't know yet what Mueller has found in addition to all the convictions and indictments, we sure as shit know he found a lot already. You poor fucking dupe.
Dupe dupe derp derp dupe dupety derp.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:49 pm
Nope, just nonplussed. Is it that you are unaware of the results to date? I don't understand how the trump propaganda is duping you here. Should we let everyone out of prison and drop the indictments against the GRU agents if individual 1 doesn't get indicted too?
Fines and restitution are not civil forfeiture. No US Federal Court has ever accepted a motion to dismiss because of claimed perjury trap, it's really not a thing. Manafort agreed to turn over 22 million in cash and property including his home in Trump TowerBlast wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:10 pmFrom what I've read, which I will freely admit could be biased or straight up wrong since no one wants to report objectively, a number of the convictions the Mueller got were fairly dubious perjury traps and because the people he went after simply ran out of money to defend themselves.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:59 amSeriously now, just what the fuck is wrong with you? Russian interference in your election has been exposed, with multiple agents of the russian intelligence service indicted. A bunch of trump's election team including his campaign manager and national security adviser are in prison for lying about their contacts with hostile foreign governments.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:43 amWhen this is over, providing there was no real collusion, I am hoping for a real investigation into the justice department and fbi people who brought about this case in the first place. The initial report that was shopped around to media and doj, the requests for unmasking of names, the wiretaps, the whole shebang.
I don’t think it will happen, though.
And you want an investigation into why there was an investigation?
We don't know yet what Mueller has found in addition to all the convictions and indictments, we sure as shit know he found a lot already. You poor fucking dupe.
Wut, can you go into a bit of detail about perjury traps? Have you ever had to deal with them as a lawyer? Seems to me that the 5th Amendment should protect against something like that.
As for the Mueller hearings paying for themselves, I am truly disturbed by that. That's like the policing for profit the Supreme Court just squashed. That's my 2 bits.
An actual perjury trap would be prosecutorial misconduct and violate due process. It means there's no reason for the interview except to suborn perjury. What trump and giuliani mean by perjury trap though is that trump can't stop lying and would perjure himself in any statement under oath. Not the same thing. Mueller didn't set any perjury traps, because he had reasons for his questions. The witnesses simply lied under oath, that is what perjury is.Blast wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:10 pmFrom what I've read, which I will freely admit could be biased or straight up wrong since no one wants to report objectively, a number of the convictions the Mueller got were fairly dubious perjury traps and because the people he went after simply ran out of money to defend themselves.
Wut, can you go into a bit of detail about perjury traps? Have you ever had to deal with them as a lawyer? Seems to me that the 5th Amendment should protect against something like that.
As for the Mueller hearings paying for themselves, I am truly disturbed by that. That's like the policing for profit the Supreme Court just squashed. That's my 2 bits.
Yet if they knew they were going to lie up covert their ass, why did they not simply invoke the 5th amendment?AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:00 pmAn actual perjury trap would be prosecutorial misconduct and violate due process. It means there's no reason for the interview except to suborn perjury. What trump and giuliani mean by perjury trap though is that trump can't stop lying and would perjure himself in any statement under oath. Not the same thing. Mueller didn't set any perjury traps, because he had reasons for his questions. The witnesses simply lied under oath, that is what perjury is.Blast wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:10 pmFrom what I've read, which I will freely admit could be biased or straight up wrong since no one wants to report objectively, a number of the convictions the Mueller got were fairly dubious perjury traps and because the people he went after simply ran out of money to defend themselves.
Wut, can you go into a bit of detail about perjury traps? Have you ever had to deal with them as a lawyer? Seems to me that the 5th Amendment should protect against something like that.
As for the Mueller hearings paying for themselves, I am truly disturbed by that. That's like the policing for profit the Supreme Court just squashed. That's my 2 bits.
I never heard of perjury traps until Trump, may have been because I didn't practice criminal law but it appears to be the same concept as entrapment. It's not really a major thing in law though, never was mentioned in law school.Blast wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:10 pmFrom what I've read, which I will freely admit could be biased or straight up wrong since no one wants to report objectively, a number of the convictions the Mueller got were fairly dubious perjury traps and because the people he went after simply ran out of money to defend themselves.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:59 amSeriously now, just what the fuck is wrong with you? Russian interference in your election has been exposed, with multiple agents of the russian intelligence service indicted. A bunch of trump's election team including his campaign manager and national security adviser are in prison for lying about their contacts with hostile foreign governments.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:43 amWhen this is over, providing there was no real collusion, I am hoping for a real investigation into the justice department and fbi people who brought about this case in the first place. The initial report that was shopped around to media and doj, the requests for unmasking of names, the wiretaps, the whole shebang.
I don’t think it will happen, though.
And you want an investigation into why there was an investigation?
We don't know yet what Mueller has found in addition to all the convictions and indictments, we sure as shit know he found a lot already. You poor fucking dupe.
Wut, can you go into a bit of detail about perjury traps? Have you ever had to deal with them as a lawyer? Seems to me that the 5th Amendment should protect against something like that.
As for the Mueller hearings paying for themselves, I am truly disturbed by that. That's like the policing for profit the Supreme Court just squashed. That's my 2 bits.
Nice try. But what happened (using the nuclear metaphor) was an upgrade from the A bomb to the H bomb. You introduce a weapon and someone will use and improve on it.CaptQuint wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:27 pm The Nuclear vote by the dems have a provision specifically not allowing using the nuclear option for Supreme Court votes. The Republicans changed it to push their Judge through after blocking Obama's nominee. The Reason the dems made this law is because Ken Starr illegally leaked Grand Jury information to the press. You just made a great case on why the Republicans are blatantly corrupt. Congrats on the self own you retard
So much logical fallacy. So much slide. It's almost as if Trump was your president, rather than ours.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:49 pmNope, just nonplussed. Is it that you are unaware of the results to date? I don't understand how the trump propaganda is duping you here. Should we let everyone out of prison and drop the indictments against the GRU agents if individual 1 doesn't get indicted too?VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:26 pmYou seem upset.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:59 amSeriously now, just what the fuck is wrong with you? Russian interference in your election has been exposed, with multiple agents of the russian intelligence service indicted. A bunch of trump's election team including his campaign manager and national security adviser are in prison for lying about their contacts with hostile foreign governments.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:43 amWhen this is over, providing there was no real collusion, I am hoping for a real investigation into the justice department and fbi people who brought about this case in the first place. The initial report that was shopped around to media and doj, the requests for unmasking of names, the wiretaps, the whole shebang.
I don’t think it will happen, though.
And you want an investigation into why there was an investigation?
We don't know yet what Mueller has found in addition to all the convictions and indictments, we sure as shit know he found a lot already. You poor fucking dupe.
The things I am referring to are results, results that you are unable to acknowledge. You are too partisan to even concede the results to date of the mueller investigation exist. Pretending you are keeping an open mind is kinda silly.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:06 pmSo much logical fallacy. So much slide. It's almost as if Trump was your president, rather than ours.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:49 pmNope, just nonplussed. Is it that you are unaware of the results to date? I don't understand how the trump propaganda is duping you here. Should we let everyone out of prison and drop the indictments against the GRU agents if individual 1 doesn't get indicted too?VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:26 pmYou seem upset.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:59 amSeriously now, just what the fuck is wrong with you? Russian interference in your election has been exposed, with multiple agents of the russian intelligence service indicted. A bunch of trump's election team including his campaign manager and national security adviser are in prison for lying about their contacts with hostile foreign governments.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:43 amWhen this is over, providing there was no real collusion, I am hoping for a real investigation into the justice department and fbi people who brought about this case in the first place. The initial report that was shopped around to media and doj, the requests for unmasking of names, the wiretaps, the whole shebang.
I don’t think it will happen, though.
And you want an investigation into why there was an investigation?
We don't know yet what Mueller has found in addition to all the convictions and indictments, we sure as shit know he found a lot already. You poor fucking dupe.
I am content to wait for the results. Your response speaks for itself.
Same reason anyone commits a crime I guess, they figured they'd get away with it. There's only one way to prevent someone pleading the fifth and that's to grant immunity.Blast wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:56 pmYet if they knew they were going to lie up covert their ass, why did they not simply invoke the 5th amendment?AnalHamster wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:00 pmAn actual perjury trap would be prosecutorial misconduct and violate due process. It means there's no reason for the interview except to suborn perjury. What trump and giuliani mean by perjury trap though is that trump can't stop lying and would perjure himself in any statement under oath. Not the same thing. Mueller didn't set any perjury traps, because he had reasons for his questions. The witnesses simply lied under oath, that is what perjury is.Blast wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:10 pmFrom what I've read, which I will freely admit could be biased or straight up wrong since no one wants to report objectively, a number of the convictions the Mueller got were fairly dubious perjury traps and because the people he went after simply ran out of money to defend themselves.
Wut, can you go into a bit of detail about perjury traps? Have you ever had to deal with them as a lawyer? Seems to me that the 5th Amendment should protect against something like that.
As for the Mueller hearings paying for themselves, I am truly disturbed by that. That's like the policing for profit the Supreme Court just squashed. That's my 2 bits.
If I had known I was in the wrong the other day while I was snowmobiling I wouldn't have stopped and cooperated for the DNR and saved myself 230 bucks for something I had no idea about.
What I wrote is exactly what happened. McConnell and Republicans were partisanly obstructing Obama's lower court and cabinet appointees blatantly refusing to their jobs and abusing the filibuster. “Am I 100 percent sure that I’m right?" he asked. "No, but I feel pretty comfortable with what we’ve done. There has to be some end to the dilatory tactics.” Harry Reid. The dems left SCOTUS alone to not politicize the court anymore than it already was. But after the Merrick Garland shitshow all decorum is gone and the GOP decided that gaining control of The Supreme Court outweighed whatever shit sandwich they will get served by the dems when they retake the senate.Antknot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:05 pmNice try. But what happened (using the nuclear metaphor) was an upgrade from the A bomb to the H bomb. You introduce a weapon and someone will use and improve on it.CaptQuint wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:27 pm The Nuclear vote by the dems have a provision specifically not allowing using the nuclear option for Supreme Court votes. The Republicans changed it to push their Judge through after blocking Obama's nominee. The Reason the dems made this law is because Ken Starr illegally leaked Grand Jury information to the press. You just made a great case on why the Republicans are blatantly corrupt. Congrats on the self own you retard
