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CaptQuint wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:07 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:03 am Aren't the current batteries on even compact 2 door sedans so delicate that if you are in a crash and pinned inside, the FD has to remove/ disable the battery before they can even think about removing you/ passengers? How is that going to work on heavy industrial machines pounding away on a job site in brutal conditions? I'm thinking with the current tech, it's not.

Nothing you said is correct. Electric cars have a loop that is cut by firefighters that kill all voltage.

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:24 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:07 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:03 am Aren't the current batteries on even compact 2 door sedans so delicate that if you are in a crash and pinned inside, the FD has to remove/ disable the battery before they can even think about removing you/ passengers? How is that going to work on heavy industrial machines pounding away on a job site in brutal conditions? I'm thinking with the current tech, it's not.

Nothing you said is correct. Electric cars have a loop that is cut by firefighters that kill all voltage.

I said "disabled" bozo. I'm just saying with current tech on even basic sedans, the batteries are so limited/ delicate (even ignoring they have to be replaced so often) that there is no way that translates to heavy machinery work in a real world environment under brutal conditions. That said, there is no doubt they will be making huge strides in battery technology over the next few years and electric power is the future. Just not now no matter how much govt wants to mandate. Industry/ Tech leads- govts follows. The other way has never worked.

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:26 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:24 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:07 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:03 am Aren't the current batteries on even compact 2 door sedans so delicate that if you are in a crash and pinned inside, the FD has to remove/ disable the battery before they can even think about removing you/ passengers? How is that going to work on heavy industrial machines pounding away on a job site in brutal conditions? I'm thinking with the current tech, it's not.

Nothing you said is correct. Electric cars have a loop that is cut by firefighters that kill all voltage.

I said "disabled" bozo. I'm just saying with current tech on even basic sedans, the batteries are so limited/ delicate (even ignoring they have to be replaced so often) that there is no way that translates to heavy machinery work in a real world environment under brutal conditions. That said, there is no doubt they will be making huge strides in battery technology over the next few years and electric power is the future. Just not now no matter how much govt wants to mandate. Industry/ Tech leads- govts follows. The other way has never worked.

Well you better call the engineers at John Deere and tell them their making a mistake.

Smok44 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:07 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:26 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:24 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:07 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:03 am Aren't the current batteries on even compact 2 door sedans so delicate that if you are in a crash and pinned inside, the FD has to remove/ disable the battery before they can even think about removing you/ passengers? How is that going to work on heavy industrial machines pounding away on a job site in brutal conditions? I'm thinking with the current tech, it's not.

Nothing you said is correct. Electric cars have a loop that is cut by firefighters that kill all voltage.

I said "disabled" bozo. I'm just saying with current tech on even basic sedans, the batteries are so limited/ delicate (even ignoring they have to be replaced so often) that there is no way that translates to heavy machinery work in a real world environment under brutal conditions. That said, there is no doubt they will be making huge strides in battery technology over the next few years and electric power is the future. Just not now no matter how much govt wants to mandate. Industry/ Tech leads- govts follows. The other way has never worked.

Well you better call the engineers at John Deere and tell them their making a mistake.

He'll never ever think anything is better than his precious oil driven machines. He's got a head filled with gunked up oil where his brain should be

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:40 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:31 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:28 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:20 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:15 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:46 pm [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ysyhU7ZPsc[/media]

No estimated price.
No estimated run time.
No charging time estimate.

And no chance that any serious business in that type of work will spend one dime on that tech for decades.

The Europeans and the Eastern world will gobble these things up.

The work I've done and I know Animal does involves work out in the boondocks. No way you are shutting down a job site for any amount of time, putting it on a trailer and hauling it 40 miles to find a charging station when a full diesel tank will run all day. Maybe in the future when the tech gets better.

Well, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't go to market with something you had to load on a trailer every 8 hours and haul to a charging station. But the lack of filters and engine parts is interesting. These new "regen" systems they have on these diesel engines kick my ass on costs. I fucking hate that technology. I spend more money paying techs to come out and fix the computer systems on those things because they keep the engine from running.

I think most can agree this type of electrical is definitely the wave of the future. But a long way to go before say someone working on a project in the desert somewhere 100 miles from a charging platform would even consider it. Perhaps a mobile charging station brought on site everyday with enough juice for the day's workload? Haul that in every night to be powered back up?

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:15 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:40 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:31 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:28 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:20 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:15 pm
And no chance that any serious business in that type of work will spend one dime on that tech for decades.

The Europeans and the Eastern world will gobble these things up.

The work I've done and I know Animal does involves work out in the boondocks. No way you are shutting down a job site for any amount of time, putting it on a trailer and hauling it 40 miles to find a charging station when a full diesel tank will run all day. Maybe in the future when the tech gets better.

Well, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't go to market with something you had to load on a trailer every 8 hours and haul to a charging station. But the lack of filters and engine parts is interesting. These new "regen" systems they have on these diesel engines kick my ass on costs. I fucking hate that technology. I spend more money paying techs to come out and fix the computer systems on those things because they keep the engine from running.

I think most can agree this type of electrical is definitely the wave of the future. But a long way to go before say someone working on a project in the desert somewhere 100 miles from a charging platform would even consider it. Perhaps a mobile charging station brought on site everyday with enough juice for the day's workload? Haul that in every night to be powered back up?

i am going to bet that they have thought about this part of the problem.

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:26 am

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:15 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:40 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:31 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:28 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:20 pm

The Europeans and the Eastern world will gobble these things up.

The work I've done and I know Animal does involves work out in the boondocks. No way you are shutting down a job site for any amount of time, putting it on a trailer and hauling it 40 miles to find a charging station when a full diesel tank will run all day. Maybe in the future when the tech gets better.

Well, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't go to market with something you had to load on a trailer every 8 hours and haul to a charging station. But the lack of filters and engine parts is interesting. These new "regen" systems they have on these diesel engines kick my ass on costs. I fucking hate that technology. I spend more money paying techs to come out and fix the computer systems on those things because they keep the engine from running.

I think most can agree this type of electrical is definitely the wave of the future. But a long way to go before say someone working on a project in the desert somewhere 100 miles from a charging platform would even consider it. Perhaps a mobile charging station brought on site everyday with enough juice for the day's workload? Haul that in every night to be powered back up?

i am going to bet that they have thought about this part of the problem.

Totally agree. My point is they know they don't have the next battery Gen tech available right now. They will eventually. As a business owner, are you prepared to spend huge sums of money right now on some vague promise or wait until the technology catches up in 10 years or so? I'm pretty sure we both know the answer to that question.

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:53 pm https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... xe90wByiz8

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:02 pm

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:53 pm https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... xe90wByiz8

The price seems a tad high.

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:15 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:26 am

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:15 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:40 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:31 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:28 pm
The work I've done and I know Animal does involves work out in the boondocks. No way you are shutting down a job site for any amount of time, putting it on a trailer and hauling it 40 miles to find a charging station when a full diesel tank will run all day. Maybe in the future when the tech gets better.

Well, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't go to market with something you had to load on a trailer every 8 hours and haul to a charging station. But the lack of filters and engine parts is interesting. These new "regen" systems they have on these diesel engines kick my ass on costs. I fucking hate that technology. I spend more money paying techs to come out and fix the computer systems on those things because they keep the engine from running.

I think most can agree this type of electrical is definitely the wave of the future. But a long way to go before say someone working on a project in the desert somewhere 100 miles from a charging platform would even consider it. Perhaps a mobile charging station brought on site everyday with enough juice for the day's workload? Haul that in every night to be powered back up?

i am going to bet that they have thought about this part of the problem.

Totally agree. My point is they know they don't have the next battery Gen tech available right now. They will eventually. As a business owner, are you prepared to spend huge sums of money right now on some vague promise or wait until the technology catches up in 10 years or so? I'm pretty sure we both know the answer to that question.

The technology already exists and companies around the world are already using it, you stupid dumb fuck.

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:26 am

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:15 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:40 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:31 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:28 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:20 pm

The Europeans and the Eastern world will gobble these things up.

The work I've done and I know Animal does involves work out in the boondocks. No way you are shutting down a job site for any amount of time, putting it on a trailer and hauling it 40 miles to find a charging station when a full diesel tank will run all day. Maybe in the future when the tech gets better.

Well, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't go to market with something you had to load on a trailer every 8 hours and haul to a charging station. But the lack of filters and engine parts is interesting. These new "regen" systems they have on these diesel engines kick my ass on costs. I fucking hate that technology. I spend more money paying techs to come out and fix the computer systems on those things because they keep the engine from running.

I think most can agree this type of electrical is definitely the wave of the future. But a long way to go before say someone working on a project in the desert somewhere 100 miles from a charging platform would even consider it. Perhaps a mobile charging station brought on site everyday with enough juice for the day's workload? Haul that in every night to be powered back up?

i am going to bet that they have thought about this part of the problem.

Totally agree. My point is they know they don't have the next battery Gen tech available right now. They will eventually. As a business owner, are you prepared to spend huge sums of money right now on some vague promise or wait until the technology catches up in 10 years or so? I'm pretty sure we both know the answer to that question.

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:46 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:26 am

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:15 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:40 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:31 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:28 pm
The work I've done and I know Animal does involves work out in the boondocks. No way you are shutting down a job site for any amount of time, putting it on a trailer and hauling it 40 miles to find a charging station when a full diesel tank will run all day. Maybe in the future when the tech gets better.

Well, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't go to market with something you had to load on a trailer every 8 hours and haul to a charging station. But the lack of filters and engine parts is interesting. These new "regen" systems they have on these diesel engines kick my ass on costs. I fucking hate that technology. I spend more money paying techs to come out and fix the computer systems on those things because they keep the engine from running.

I think most can agree this type of electrical is definitely the wave of the future. But a long way to go before say someone working on a project in the desert somewhere 100 miles from a charging platform would even consider it. Perhaps a mobile charging station brought on site everyday with enough juice for the day's workload? Haul that in every night to be powered back up?

i am going to bet that they have thought about this part of the problem.

Totally agree. My point is they know they don't have the next battery Gen tech available right now. They will eventually. As a business owner, are you prepared to spend huge sums of money right now on some vague promise or wait until the technology catches up in 10 years or so? I'm pretty sure we both know the answer to that question.

Here's the problem from a business owner's perspective. Over the past 10 years or so, we have seen diesel engines go through a major transformation in terms of "clean air" technology. They call them "tier's". The old diesel engines of 20 years ago are trying to be phased out. The government even had a program where they would pay a person to drill a hole through the engine block of an old diesel engine and provide proof that it was no longer functionable. If you did the paperwork right you could be reimbursed enough money to buy a brand new diesel truck to replace it. It was insane.

Anyway, through all of that we now have diesel engines with tons of computer bullshit on them. DEF systems. Regen systems. All computer driven and all designed to reduce carbon. They are extremely complicated and extremely prone to failure. Repair costs for these systems are astronomical. I fucking hate a phone call from anyone reporting they are having trouble with a diesel engine. 99% of the time its in the regen system. And that means my diesel mechanics can't fix it. I have to call in computer tech's from the dealers. And half the time its because they need to download some new software.

So, all of that said, I am willing to look at any fucking thing that can end this nightmare of trying to run this crap they are forcing on the industry right now.

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:58 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:46 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:26 am

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:15 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:40 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:31 pm

Well, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't go to market with something you had to load on a trailer every 8 hours and haul to a charging station. But the lack of filters and engine parts is interesting. These new "regen" systems they have on these diesel engines kick my ass on costs. I fucking hate that technology. I spend more money paying techs to come out and fix the computer systems on those things because they keep the engine from running.

I think most can agree this type of electrical is definitely the wave of the future. But a long way to go before say someone working on a project in the desert somewhere 100 miles from a charging platform would even consider it. Perhaps a mobile charging station brought on site everyday with enough juice for the day's workload? Haul that in every night to be powered back up?

i am going to bet that they have thought about this part of the problem.

Totally agree. My point is they know they don't have the next battery Gen tech available right now. They will eventually. As a business owner, are you prepared to spend huge sums of money right now on some vague promise or wait until the technology catches up in 10 years or so? I'm pretty sure we both know the answer to that question.

Here's the problem from a business owner's perspective. Over the past 10 years or so, we have seen diesel engines go through a major transformation in terms of "clean air" technology. They call them "tier's". The old diesel engines of 20 years ago are trying to be phased out. The government even had a program where they would pay a person to drill a hole through the engine block of an old diesel engine and provide proof that it was no longer functionable. If you did the paperwork right you could be reimbursed enough money to buy a brand new diesel truck to replace it. It was insane.

Anyway, through all of that we now have diesel engines with tons of computer bullshit on them. DEF systems. Regen systems. All computer driven and all designed to reduce carbon. They are extremely complicated and extremely prone to failure. Repair costs for these systems are astronomical. I fucking hate a phone call from anyone reporting they are having trouble with a diesel engine. 99% of the time its in the regen system. And that means my diesel mechanics can't fix it. I have to call in computer tech's from the dealers. And half the time its because they need to download some new software.

So, all of that said, I am willing to look at any fucking thing that can end this nightmare of trying to run this crap they are forcing on the industry right now.

Good point. Just reinforces what I said yesterday- "Industry/Tech leads/ Governments follow. The other way never works".

rule34 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:09 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:58 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:46 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:26 am

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:15 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:40 pm
I think most can agree this type of electrical is definitely the wave of the future. But a long way to go before say someone working on a project in the desert somewhere 100 miles from a charging platform would even consider it. Perhaps a mobile charging station brought on site everyday with enough juice for the day's workload? Haul that in every night to be powered back up?

i am going to bet that they have thought about this part of the problem.

Totally agree. My point is they know they don't have the next battery Gen tech available right now. They will eventually. As a business owner, are you prepared to spend huge sums of money right now on some vague promise or wait until the technology catches up in 10 years or so? I'm pretty sure we both know the answer to that question.

Here's the problem from a business owner's perspective. Over the past 10 years or so, we have seen diesel engines go through a major transformation in terms of "clean air" technology. They call them "tier's". The old diesel engines of 20 years ago are trying to be phased out. The government even had a program where they would pay a person to drill a hole through the engine block of an old diesel engine and provide proof that it was no longer functionable. If you did the paperwork right you could be reimbursed enough money to buy a brand new diesel truck to replace it. It was insane.

Anyway, through all of that we now have diesel engines with tons of computer bullshit on them. DEF systems. Regen systems. All computer driven and all designed to reduce carbon. They are extremely complicated and extremely prone to failure. Repair costs for these systems are astronomical. I fucking hate a phone call from anyone reporting they are having trouble with a diesel engine. 99% of the time its in the regen system. And that means my diesel mechanics can't fix it. I have to call in computer tech's from the dealers. And half the time its because they need to download some new software.

So, all of that said, I am willing to look at any fucking thing that can end this nightmare of trying to run this crap they are forcing on the industry right now.

Good point. Just reinforces what I said yesterday- "Industry/Tech leads/ Governments follow. The other way never works".

It's amazing how you can 180 and think no one will notice.

rule34 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:09 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:58 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:46 pm

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:26 am

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:15 am

CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:40 pm
I think most can agree this type of electrical is definitely the wave of the future. But a long way to go before say someone working on a project in the desert somewhere 100 miles from a charging platform would even consider it. Perhaps a mobile charging station brought on site everyday with enough juice for the day's workload? Haul that in every night to be powered back up?

i am going to bet that they have thought about this part of the problem.

Totally agree. My point is they know they don't have the next battery Gen tech available right now. They will eventually. As a business owner, are you prepared to spend huge sums of money right now on some vague promise or wait until the technology catches up in 10 years or so? I'm pretty sure we both know the answer to that question.

Here's the problem from a business owner's perspective. Over the past 10 years or so, we have seen diesel engines go through a major transformation in terms of "clean air" technology. They call them "tier's". The old diesel engines of 20 years ago are trying to be phased out. The government even had a program where they would pay a person to drill a hole through the engine block of an old diesel engine and provide proof that it was no longer functionable. If you did the paperwork right you could be reimbursed enough money to buy a brand new diesel truck to replace it. It was insane.

Anyway, through all of that we now have diesel engines with tons of computer bullshit on them. DEF systems. Regen systems. All computer driven and all designed to reduce carbon. They are extremely complicated and extremely prone to failure. Repair costs for these systems are astronomical. I fucking hate a phone call from anyone reporting they are having trouble with a diesel engine. 99% of the time its in the regen system. And that means my diesel mechanics can't fix it. I have to call in computer tech's from the dealers. And half the time its because they need to download some new software.

So, all of that said, I am willing to look at any fucking thing that can end this nightmare of trying to run this crap they are forcing on the industry right now.

Good point. Just reinforces what I said yesterday- "Industry/Tech leads/ Governments follow. The other way never works".

It's amazing how you can 180 and think no one will notice.