Wuhan Coronavirus

[CaptQuint]

Trump hasn't cut the CDC. He has proposed cuts to the CDC which have not been passed.

He did cut the US Pandemic Response Team, though.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... emic-team/

May 10 2018

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

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The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to- ... -abruptly/

[beagleboy]

8 months before a presidential election. If this goes sideways you will here nothing but how trump is responsible for gutting the CDC, HHS, and the WHO pandemic response teams that were in place from Obama. Trump of course will never take the blame and put Pence under the bus. Perfect.

Trump has not cut anything from the CDC.

Trump fired some people within the CDC pandemic unit and never replaced them. Funding hasn't been cut.

No fucking clue how Trump can be managing WHO which is part of the United Nations. Stapes is a troll.

[Stapes]

They want to cut funding to the who by 53%. I admit I already thought they did that. funny how you're all so concerned about the facts and Truth now when it doesn't seem to matter when it comes out of trumps mouth. I'm sure the administration that is anti-science will have everything under control. Remember all statements about the virus have to come through Mike Pence office so we can get that unfiltered truth.

[CaptQuint]

The Trump administration recently requested $2.5 billion in emergency funds to prepare the U.S. for a possible widespread outbreak of coronavirus. Critics, though, are pointing out that money might not be necessary if the administration hadn’t spent the past two years largely dismantling government units that were designed to protect against pandemics.


The cuts started in 2018, as the White House focused on eliminating funding to Obama-era disease security programs. In March of that year, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, whose job it was to lead the U.S. response in the event of a pandemic, abruptly left the administration and his global health security team was disbanded.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to- ... -abruptly/

That same year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was forced to slash its efforts to prevent global disease outbreak by 80% as its funding for the program began to run out. The agency, at the time, opted to focus on 10 priority countries and scale back in others, including China.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to- ... -outbreak/

Also cut was the Complex Crises Fund, a $30 million emergency response pool that was at the secretary of state’s disposal to deploy disease experts and others in the event of a crisis. (The fund was created by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.)

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/05/09/eb ... ng-for-it/

Overall in 2018, Trump called for $15 billion in reduced health spending that had previously been approved, as he looked at increasing budget deficits, cutting the global disease-fighting budgets of the CDC, National Security Council (NSC), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Health and Human Services (HHS) in the process.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... story.html

The effects of those cuts are being felt today. While the CDC announced plans to test people with flu-like symptoms for COVID-19, those have been delayed and only three of the country’s 100 public-health labs have been able to test for coronavirus. The administration’s request for additional funding came roughly two weeks after officials said HHS was almost out of funding for its response to the virus.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/2 ... rus-116529

https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavi ... -us-trump/

[Stapes]

If people start dying in the hundreds or thousands which is entirely possible...... The Democratic ads this summer will show Trump's response.

Worrying about the stock market instead of the coronavirus.

Telling the American people that the outbreak will be near zero.......... I'd run campaign advertisements 24 hours a day having him say that and then the death toll right after it

[CHEEZY17]

Democrats hoping people die.

[CaptQuint]

Democrats hoping people die.

Republicans setting up for Americans to die.

[Stapes]

Democrats hoping people die.

Every death will be laid at the White House doorstep.

[CaptQuint]

The Trump administration recently requested $2.5 billion in emergency funds to prepare the U.S. for a possible widespread outbreak of coronavirus. Critics, though, are pointing out that money might not be necessary if the administration hadn’t spent the past two years largely dismantling government units that were designed to protect against pandemics.


The cuts started in 2018, as the White House focused on eliminating funding to Obama-era disease security programs. In March of that year, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, whose job it was to lead the U.S. response in the event of a pandemic, abruptly left the administration and his global health security team was disbanded.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to- ... -abruptly/

That same year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was forced to slash its efforts to prevent global disease outbreak by 80% as its funding for the program began to run out. The agency, at the time, opted to focus on 10 priority countries and scale back in others, including China.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to- ... -outbreak/

Also cut was the Complex Crises Fund, a $30 million emergency response pool that was at the secretary of state’s disposal to deploy disease experts and others in the event of a crisis. (The fund was created by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.)

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/05/09/eb ... ng-for-it/

Overall in 2018, Trump called for $15 billion in reduced health spending that had previously been approved, as he looked at increasing budget deficits, cutting the global disease-fighting budgets of the CDC, National Security Council (NSC), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Health and Human Services (HHS) in the process.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... story.html

The effects of those cuts are being felt today. While the CDC announced plans to test people with flu-like symptoms for COVID-19, those have been delayed and only three of the country’s 100 public-health labs have been able to test for coronavirus. The administration’s request for additional funding came roughly two weeks after officials said HHS was almost out of funding for its response to the virus.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/2 ... rus-116529

https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavi ... -us-trump/

As I said before, much ado about nothing. And all Trump can do is propose budget cuts. He can't actually make them.

Yup, all the republicans can do is spout that his intentions and poor judgement don't matter.

[Animal]

I will say there is one major positive about this whole Corona virus. This week, it shaved near 3,000 off the stock market. Great news. Under Trump's economic policies, the economy has been super heated. Too heated. Corrections were coming. When your previous Admin touted their economic success on the rubble of the 2008 recession and massive Public sector jobs and Trump was within 5,000 Dow points of doubling it in just over 3 years, That's way too sizzling hot. Bad things can happen.

That's some serious bullshit spin there; yay! The market dropped 3,000 points! says nobody.

Trump now can claim 9 of the 10 largest single day point drops in DOW history.

So much 'winning'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... nt_changes

i assume, to make it look better in the world of political spin, that those 9 out of 10 days are based on DJIA "points" not "percentage". If you use the term "point" is a much easier sell to the porch pirates that have never paid a trade commission in their lives.

[CaptQuint]

I will say there is one major positive about this whole Corona virus. This week, it shaved near 3,000 off the stock market. Great news. Under Trump's economic policies, the economy has been super heated. Too heated. Corrections were coming. When your previous Admin touted their economic success on the rubble of the 2008 recession and massive Public sector jobs and Trump was within 5,000 Dow points of doubling it in just over 3 years, That's way too sizzling hot. Bad things can happen.

That's some serious bullshit spin there; yay! The market dropped 3,000 points! says nobody.

Trump now can claim 9 of the 10 largest single day point drops in DOW history.

So much 'winning'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... nt_changes

i assume, to make it look better in the world of political spin, that those 9 out of 10 days are based on DJIA "points" not "percentage". If you use the term "point" is a much easier sell to the porch pirates that have never paid a trade commission in their lives.

You've paid trade commissions AND write checks? Again, duly impressed.

[CaptQuint]

I will say there is one major positive about this whole Corona virus. This week, it shaved near 3,000 off the stock market. Great news. Under Trump's economic policies, the economy has been super heated. Too heated. Corrections were coming. When your previous Admin touted their economic success on the rubble of the 2008 recession and massive Public sector jobs and Trump was within 5,000 Dow points of doubling it in just over 3 years, That's way too sizzling hot. Bad things can happen.

That's some serious bullshit spin there; yay! The market dropped 3,000 points! says nobody.

Trump now can claim 9 of the 10 largest single day point drops in DOW history.

So much 'winning'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... nt_changes

i assume, to make it look better in the world of political spin, that those 9 out of 10 days are based on DJIA "points" not "percentage". If you use the term "point" is a much easier sell to the porch pirates that have never paid a trade commission in their lives.

You've paid trade commissions AND write checks? Again, duly impressed.

Spoken like someone who doesn't invest in the stock market and doesn't pay taxes.

You're 50% correct

[Animal]

You've paid trade commissions AND write checks? Again, duly impressed.

the thing i really can't understand is how you can be so smart and post such stupid bullshit when it comes to politics.

[CaptQuint]

You've paid trade commissions AND write checks? Again, duly impressed.

the thing i really can't understand is how you can be so smart and post such stupid bullshit when it comes to politics.

Well at this point I'll take any sort of compliment, thank you.

[beagleboy]

It's unlikely the virus does much in the US this year (unless it can live through the heat of summer), it'll be next year that it becomes an issue. If this is the flu that is common next year it'll be a very big deal.

Japan is talking about shutting down all schools for almost a month. Seems pretty early in the process to take such action.

The Swiss are supposedly cancelling any event with more than 1,000 expected attendees.

Goldman Sachs says no profit growth in 2020. Starbucks says 85% of their stores are open in China, but are people going to them when open? The easiest way to avoid the flu or a cold is to avoid restaurants.

[CaptQuint]

It's unlikely the virus does much in the US this year (unless it can live through the heat of summer), it'll be next year that it becomes an issue. If this is the flu that is common next year it'll be a very big deal.

Japan is talking about shutting down all schools for almost a month. Seems pretty early in the process to take such action.

The Swiss are supposedly cancelling any event with more than 1,000 expected attendees.

Goldman Sachs says no profit growth in 2020. Starbucks says 85% of their stores are open in China, but are people going to them when open? The easiest way to avoid the flu or a cold is to avoid restaurants.

Pretty sure Japan is about at the end of their school year so that isn't as big as it sounds.

[Animal]

It's unlikely the virus does much in the US this year (unless it can live through the heat of summer), it'll be next year that it becomes an issue. If this is the flu that is common next year it'll be a very big deal.

Japan is talking about shutting down all schools for almost a month. Seems pretty early in the process to take such action.

The Swiss are supposedly cancelling any event with more than 1,000 expected attendees.

Goldman Sachs says no profit growth in 2020. Starbucks says 85% of their stores are open in China, but are people going to them when open? The easiest way to avoid the flu or a cold is to avoid restaurants.

First, how does this flu virus (corona) sit dormant from late spring until next winter and then attack again? Where does it go to wait?

Second, Japan has already closed schools for a month ( I think). I would bet they are doing this as an over reaction in order to save the Olympics this summer in Japan.

Third, I think I heard on the radio this morning that some huge convention was cancelled in Switzerland today.

[FSchmertz]

It's unlikely the virus does much in the US this year (unless it can live through the heat of summer), it'll be next year that it becomes an issue. If this is the flu that is common next year it'll be a very big deal.

Japan is talking about shutting down all schools for almost a month. Seems pretty early in the process to take such action.

The Swiss are supposedly cancelling any event with more than 1,000 expected attendees.

Goldman Sachs says no profit growth in 2020. Starbucks says 85% of their stores are open in China, but are people going to them when open? The easiest way to avoid the flu or a cold is to avoid restaurants.

Japan might even cancel the Olympics this year. Then you know things are bad.

And I wish people wouldn't assume this coronavirus will behave just like influenza. It's too early to tell. Hope so.

[FSchmertz]

It's unlikely the virus does much in the US this year (unless it can live through the heat of summer), it'll be next year that it becomes an issue. If this is the flu that is common next year it'll be a very big deal.

Japan is talking about shutting down all schools for almost a month. Seems pretty early in the process to take such action.

The Swiss are supposedly cancelling any event with more than 1,000 expected attendees.

Goldman Sachs says no profit growth in 2020. Starbucks says 85% of their stores are open in China, but are people going to them when open? The easiest way to avoid the flu or a cold is to avoid restaurants.

First, how does this flu virus (corona) sit dormant from late spring until next winter and then attack again? Where does it go to wait?

They're hoping it behaves like flu. That doesn't "go away," but there's much less of it going around when the weather warms up. Something about the flu prefers colder weather, and that's when it can reach pandemic levels.

Also note that "not all people live North of the Equator."

While we "Northerners" are enjoying the summer, "Southerners" are in winter, and flu can be rampant (monitoring that is partly how they try to determine what version of flu we'll be getting next winter to prepare vaccines).

Somewhere I read that the flu virus has a coating or envelope that can allow it to survive out in the environment for a long time, allowing for more chance of exposure. But it's lifespan is limited in higher temperatures (so heat = less time you can be exposed).

I have no idea if coronavirus will behave similarly. I guess we'll find out this Summer.

[beagleboy]

And I wish people wouldn't assume this coronavirus will behave just like influenza. It's too early to tell. Hope so.

There are other viruses within this family and they for the most part act in the same way. When a virus transmit primarily through the air, it's far harder in the summer than the winter.



"But he says COVID-19 seems more akin to the seasonal cold. And up to a third of common colds are caused by coronaviruses.

"We've seen, basically, explosive spread inside China of person-to-person transmission, so — in that sense — it really is behaving like a common-cold causing coronavirus," says Adalja.

For that reason, he says, "I do think seasonality will play a role. As this outbreak unfolds and we approach spring and summer, I do think we will see some tapering off of cases.""

[FSchmertz]

And I wish people wouldn't assume this coronavirus will behave just like influenza. It's too early to tell. Hope so.

There are other viruses within this family and they for the most part act in the same way. When a virus transmit primarily through the air, it's far harder in the summer than the winter.
"But he says COVID-19 seems more akin to the seasonal cold. And up to a third of common colds are caused by coronaviruses.
"We've seen, basically, explosive spread inside China of person-to-person transmission, so — in that sense — it really is behaving like a common-cold causing coronavirus," says Adalja.
For that reason, he says, "I do think seasonality will play a role. As this outbreak unfolds and we approach spring and summer, I do think we will see some tapering off of cases.""

I looked up that dude from the quote, and ran into an interesting article.

Apparently we're already exposed to 4 coronavirus types that seem to have jumped from animal hosts.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/04/two ... contained/

[CHEEZY17]

How about we all just be thoughtful humans and, I don't know, wash our hands several times a day, stay inside if you're sniffling, hacking or sneezing and use hand sanitizer once in awhile?

[Animal]

How about we all just be thoughtful humans and, I don't know, wash our hands several times a day, stay inside if you're sniffling, hacking or sneezing and use hand sanitizer once in awhile?

and slow down on consuming rats and wild snakes and stuff. you know, just be vigilant.

[Animal]

In all seriousness, I think I read that 14 days is the time that someone should be quarantined in order to make sure that they either don't have it or they are cured of it.

That said, it seems like it would have been easier to just tell everyone in the world to stay home for 14 days and not do shit. This whole thing would have been over a month ago.

[beagleboy]

They are saying you could be contagious for over a week before symptoms show up.

Also, some people have it, are contagious for 2 weeks and never show any symptoms at all and it passes you never knew you had it. That's how it spreads globally.

Or it's like me, get a cold the day before vacation and then spread it all over Europe because to hell with you all.