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Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:05 pm
by Animal
nerd_alert wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:47 am
Animal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:46 am
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:45 am
Animal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:42 am
so wait. all of those sculptures are in one church?
Yeah.
i almost think i could plan an whole vacation around just going back and forth to that church. i could study those things for hours.
That's just the tip of the iceberg. Naples is loaded with museums, churches & palaces. The National Archeological Museum if filled with sculptures and mosaics recovered from Pompeii & Herculaneum.
Naples looks like a great vacation destination. My plan, has always been to make my first trip to europe in Greece. To see all the architectural ruins that made them so famous. But now I'm not so sure. This might even be better. The Parthenon and Temple of Poseidon, etc. But those are in various state of ruins. These sculptures are magnificent.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:24 pm
by CentralTexasCrude
Animal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:05 pm
nerd_alert wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:47 am
Animal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:46 am
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:45 am
Animal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:42 am
so wait. all of those sculptures are in one church?
Yeah.
i almost think i could plan an whole vacation around just going back and forth to that church. i could study those things for hours.
That's just the tip of the iceberg. Naples is loaded with museums, churches & palaces. The National Archeological Museum if filled with sculptures and mosaics recovered from Pompeii & Herculaneum.
Naples looks like a great vacation destination. My plan, has always been to make my first trip to europe in Greece. To see all the architectural ruins that made them so famous. But now I'm not so sure. This might even be better. The Parthenon and Temple of Poseidon, etc. But those are in various state of ruins. These sculptures are magnificent.
"Tower of the Winds" in Athens. Built like 100-200 BC. Worked like a clocktower in a Medieval town. Had a vane on top to show the wind direction. Those 8 (6?) multi-sided figures at the top each contained a sun dial. People strolling around town could look up and see about what time it was.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:21 pm
by nerd_alert
Animal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:05 pm
nerd_alert wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:47 am
Animal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:46 am
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:45 am
Animal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:42 am
so wait. all of those sculptures are in one church?
Yeah.
i almost think i could plan an whole vacation around just going back and forth to that church. i could study those things for hours.
That's just the tip of the iceberg. Naples is loaded with museums, churches & palaces. The National Archeological Museum if filled with sculptures and mosaics recovered from Pompeii & Herculaneum.
Naples looks like a great vacation destination. My plan, has always been to make my first trip to europe in Greece. To see all the architectural ruins that made them so famous. But now I'm not so sure. This might even be better. The Parthenon and Temple of Poseidon, etc. But those are in various state of ruins. These sculptures are magnificent.
It really is a great place to visit. Aside from the art & architecture, the food is incredible. The landscape is fantastic too. You can go out to the islands in the bay, to the top of Vesuvius, along the Amalfi Coast. Naples was founded by the Greeks and part of Magna Grecia. You can still see some of the ancient Greek walls in the city. Some of the better preserved Greek temples still stand to the south in Paestum.
What is pretty neat is that there is an underworld to explore in Naples. Many of the churches, although they have be rebuilt many times, have stood in the same location for a very long time. Several of them have excavated the ground beneath them down to the old Roman streets. Probably the largest excavations are under San Lorenzo Maggiore. There is a whole Roman marketplace you can walk through.
Worthwhile side-trips can be made to the Caserta palace. Featured in the movies Anzio, Star Wars: Phantom Menace & Attack of the Clones. Modeled after the Versailles palace, it has an amazing garden, fountains and waterway. Lots of Roman ruins in Pozzuoli, including an amphitheater. Unfortunately closed to the public now, there is a volcano that you could walk into. The Solfatara features steaming fumaroles and a boiling mud pit in the center. Visited it several times. Pozzouli is also the location of Rione Terra, the historic old Roman settlement part of the city. While Capri is the more famous island, I really like Procida. Its an odd shaped island, Really just a bunch of interconnected volcanic rims. It really retains a lot of old-world feel. You can also take a train and visit Baia. There is a castle and lots of royal roman ruins there. If you scuba dive, a lot of the old roman city is submerged under water. The whole area suffers from bradyseism, which raises or lowers the land surface depending on how full the underground magma chamber is. About an hour train ride will take you to Nettuno, where you can visit the Rome-Sicily American Cemetery.
Caserta gardens
Procida
Campi Flegrei, to the west of Naples, just to give you an idea of how volcanic the area is
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:30 pm
by CentralTexasCrude
disco.moon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:27 pm
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:24 pm
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"Tower of the Winds" in Athens. Built like 100-200 BC. Worked like a clocktower in a Medieval town. Had a vane on top to show the wind direction. Those 8 (6?) multi-sided figures at the top each contained a sun dial. People strolling around town could look up and see about what time it was.
that is really cool.
One of the sided figures after 2,000+ years out in the weather
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:38 pm
by stonedmegman
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:30 pm
disco.moon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:27 pm
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:24 pm
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"Tower of the Winds" in Athens. Built like 100-200 BC. Worked like a clocktower in a Medieval town. Had a vane on top to show the wind direction. Those 8 (6?) multi-sided figures at the top each contained a sun dial. People strolling around town could look up and see about what time it was.
that is really cool.
One of the sided figures after 2,000+ years out in the weather
Where's the sundial?
Do you know how they work? You could not have a sundial on all 8 sides that would work.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:53 pm
by Animal
i was wondering the same thing. i went to the wiki page and it mentions the sundials, but there is no description of how they worked or what they looked like. they did say that inside that tower was a "water clock" that worked off of a spring fed stream.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:58 pm
by Reservoir Dog
stonedmegman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:38 pm
Do you know how they work? You could not have a sundial on all 8 sides that would work.
You had to know what time it was to check the right sundial.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:01 pm
by CentralTexasCrude
Yeah, I'll have to check my Kindle. I found out about this tower when reading Daniel Boorstin's "The Discoverers". Can't remember if he goes into any details about how the sun dials were mounted. And, of course, sun dials were highly inaccurate depending on the seasons. They were just an approximate indication on the day's time 1,200 years before mechanical clocks were invented. Edit- it doesn't say how or where they were mounted.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:07 pm
by Animal
Oh, I still can't find it, but I think I might know how they made this work. Each face wasn't an individual sundial. The whole 8 sided thing was a sundial. So you had to walk around it in order to tell what time it was. Once you found a face that had shadows on it, then the dial on that face would give you the time.
I'm still looking for someone that has an actual description.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:11 pm
by Animal
I am still not completely understanding it, but:
The engraved lines on each of the eight sides (Fig. 3) represent the hour lines and day lines that would have been used to determine the time of day and year respectively from the shadow created by the gnomon on the dial plate. The original gnomons and dial plates have disappeared, but the holes where the gnomons were placed were still obvious, which has enabled them to be replaced by modern replicas (Palaskas, 1845; Bromley & Wright, 1989).
The eight sundials, each facing a different orientation, measured time all day long, throughout the year.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:18 pm
by CentralTexasCrude
Animal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:07 pm
Oh, I still can't find it, but I think I might know how they made this work. Each face wasn't an individual sundial. The whole 8 sided thing was a sundial. So you had to walk around it in order to tell what time it was. Once you found a face that had shadows on it, then the dial on that face would give you the time.
I'm still looking for someone that has an actual description.
No, he states "Each of the eight principal directions is personified in its winds (whatever that means) and each face bears a sundial, so that an Athenian could read the time on at least 3 faces at once".
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:18 pm
by Animal
I can see how that "gnome" sticks out like an antenna from a hole in the rock. And then down that face there are rays that extend outward from the radius point created by the base of where the gnome sticks into the rock. The shadow follows those radial lines as it moves thru the day.
It just seems like someone would have really gone into depth on how this works. and it seems like someone would have re-created one nearby so people could see it working.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:22 pm
by Animal
unless i am missing something it doesn't give any detail into how the sundials worked.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:25 pm
by Animal
Alas:
The eight sundials In addition to the water clock, the Tower of the Winds was bearing eight vertical sundials. In the upper part of all eight sides of the Tower, just under the frieze, we can discern even today their carved hour lines. These eight sundials were informing in any clear day the ancient Athenians on the local solar time, even when the sun was to the north side, during the early or late daylight hours of June and July. As the late Professor of Astronomy Demetrios Kotsakis stresses in his study of these sundials (1967), in the southern side of the monument (Figure 7a, b) is carved a system of 11 converging radial straight lines. The one in the middle is vertical, being the interception of the meridian’s plane with the side. The 10 other lines are all symmetrical to the central line. There is also a line parallel to the horizon intercepting the 11 hour lines. There are two more curved lines; they are the curves described by the apex of an inclined rod’s shadow in the summer and the winter solstices. The straight converging lines end at the lower curve. Thus the southern sundial was showing not only the true solar time, but also the dates of the solstices and the approximate dates of the equinoxes. The southeast and the southwest sides have 5 converging radial hour lines each (Figure 8ab) and three more lines intersecting them. These are diverging vertical sundials. Again the middle line of the 5 hour lines shows the meridian plane. There is also a horizontal line and the two solstitial curves, having a larger eccentricity than the curves of the south side. The east and west sides bear only three curved lines each, one showing the date of the equinoxes and the other two the date of the solstices. It seems that originally there were also here two systems of straight lines showing the morning and the afternoon hours, respectively. The northeast and the northwest sides have different lines, while the north side of the Tower bears three lines to the east of the meridian plane and three to the west of Figure 9a, b). Apparently this sundial was in use from the vernal equinox until the autumnal equinox, and then only during the early or late daylight hours.…The eight sundials of the Tower of the Winds are showed in the last figure (Antonacopoulos G. and Fragakis, H., 1969). At this point it should be noted that probably the sundials were carved one or even two centuries after the construction of the Tower itself. This probability is to be considered because the Roman architect Vitruvius does not mention the sundials at all, although he describes the monument and the carvings of the winds. As the Belgian archaeologist E. Ardaillon writes (p. 260), Vitruvius enumerates in his opus (On Architecture) the various systems of clocks known in his time. On the other side, it is possible that he did not mention the sundials of the Tower of the Winds for a certain reason, in which case the sundials are contemporary with the Tower itself. The opinions of the archaeologists are divided on this.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:27 pm
by Reservoir Dog
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:30 pm
by Animal
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:31 pm
by Reservoir Dog
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:37 pm
by CentralTexasCrude
Animal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:25 pm
Alas:
The eight sundials In addition to the water clock, the Tower of the Winds was bearing eight vertical sundials. In the upper part of all eight sides of the Tower, just under the frieze, we can discern even today their carved hour lines. These eight sundials were informing in any clear day the ancient Athenians on the local solar time, even when the sun was to the north side, during the early or late daylight hours of June and July. As the late Professor of Astronomy Demetrios Kotsakis stresses in his study of these sundials (1967), in the southern side of the monument (Figure 7a, b) is carved a system of 11 converging radial straight lines. The one in the middle is vertical, being the interception of the meridian’s plane with the side. The 10 other lines are all symmetrical to the central line. There is also a line parallel to the horizon intercepting the 11 hour lines. There are two more curved lines; they are the curves described by the apex of an inclined rod’s shadow in the summer and the winter solstices. The straight converging lines end at the lower curve. Thus the southern sundial was showing not only the true solar time, but also the dates of the solstices and the approximate dates of the equinoxes. The southeast and the southwest sides have 5 converging radial hour lines each (Figure 8ab) and three more lines intersecting them. These are diverging vertical sundials. Again the middle line of the 5 hour lines shows the meridian plane. There is also a horizontal line and the two solstitial curves, having a larger eccentricity than the curves of the south side. The east and west sides bear only three curved lines each, one showing the date of the equinoxes and the other two the date of the solstices. It seems that originally there were also here two systems of straight lines showing the morning and the afternoon hours, respectively. The northeast and the northwest sides have different lines, while the north side of the Tower bears three lines to the east of the meridian plane and three to the west of Figure 9a, b). Apparently this sundial was in use from the vernal equinox until the autumnal equinox, and then only during the early or late daylight hours.…The eight sundials of the Tower of the Winds are showed in the last figure (Antonacopoulos G. and Fragakis, H., 1969). At this point it should be noted that probably the sundials were carved one or even two centuries after the construction of the Tower itself. This probability is to be considered because the Roman architect Vitruvius does not mention the sundials at all, although he describes the monument and the carvings of the winds. As the Belgian archaeologist E. Ardaillon writes (p. 260), Vitruvius enumerates in his opus (On Architecture) the various systems of clocks known in his time. On the other side, it is possible that he did not mention the sundials of the Tower of the Winds for a certain reason, in which case the sundials are contemporary with the Tower itself. The opinions of the archaeologists are divided on this.
Now see. How hard was that that. * Note to self- don't mention or bring up any subject where Animal may feel the need to solve a 2,000 year old mystery*
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:38 pm
by Animal
oh. i'm going to build one.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:38 pm
by Stapes
disco.moon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:26 pm
FFS I NEED THIS. It showed up on my FB feed.
Great dress for a kids birthday party.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:15 pm
by CentralTexasCrude
Animal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:38 pm
oh. i'm going to build one.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:35 pm
by Reservoir Dog
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:48 pm
by CentralTexasCrude
disco.moon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:30 pm
What's funny is he likely will!
Hell, the tools are stacked, loaded and locked. I always thought a sundial out in the yard would be pretty cool.
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:01 am
by nerd_alert
disco.moon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:47 am
I'm not Google lensing this. Tell me who it is dangit.
Artwork by Hajime Sorayama
Re: Art Thread NSFW
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:45 am
by nerd_alert
nerd_alert wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:01 am
disco.moon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:14 am
Judith beheading Holofernes 1598 - 1602 (?)
Caravagio
I really like Caravaggio. Really interesting play between light and dark.
You may want to make a note... 24 Nov 2021, PBS, Secrets of the Dead, "The Caravaggio Heist"
Speaking of Caravaggio....... HOLY CRAP! $547 million!
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/italian ... 00122.html
The ceiling mural - Jupiter, Neptune & Pluto
