Re: I was told there is no crisis
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:15 pm
UJ's Hamster Died. We're All That's Left...
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Presumably, Trump is trying to discourage illegals from using children as a "get out of jail free" card. And sometimes they even have to determine if the children do in fact belong to the parents.analhamster wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:21 pm Looking at the cages is missing the point, of course they've always been used. The difference was in policy, under past administrations they tried to minimise the time children held, and ensure families were held together. Trump decided to intentionally take people's children as a deterrent, and hold children and families as long as they could get away with it. Those are very different approaches, and trump did set up concentration camps, but the basic facilities over than the new camps were the same.
He was not within the law, he lost several legal challenges before backing down in the face of overwhelming public opinion. Children can only be held up to 20 days for initial processing under the Flores ruling. Trump's attempted workaround is isolated concentration camps they are technically free to leave but don't, because they are helpless children.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:29 pmPresumably, Trump is trying to discourage illegals from using children as a "get out of jail free" card. And sometimes they even have to determine if the children do in fact belong to the parents.analhamster wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:21 pm Looking at the cages is missing the point, of course they've always been used. The difference was in policy, under past administrations they tried to minimise the time children held, and ensure families were held together. Trump decided to intentionally take people's children as a deterrent, and hold children and families as long as they could get away with it. Those are very different approaches, and trump did set up concentration camps, but the basic facilities over than the new camps were the same.
The point is, if he is within the law, and it's a strategy to reduce illegal immigration in the future, then I'm for it. Children have been and will continue to be detained. We can't put them up in 4 star hotels. Probably a lot of them are already living better than they did in their home countries.
Get a dictionary.Charliesheen wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:33 pm concentration camps...
Way to diminish Nazi evil you putz.
Moats filled with crocodiles, poisonous jellyfish, piranha, and toxic waste from Al Gore's coal mine.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:05 pm When people quibble over whether to call it a cage, or a pen, or a cell, I don't see the point? That seems like more spin than news. These cages, or pens, are for detaining people who were caught entering illegally.
They have to be detained in SOME way, what would those of you who oppose it recommend to replace these cages?
It’s not my strategy. Findings of law can go up to the Supreme Court before they are resolved. The court of public opinion (and resulting party pressure) can be more effective.analhamster wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:41 pmHe was not within the law, he lost several legal challenges before backing down in the face of overwhelming public opinion. Children can only be held up to 20 days for initial processing under the Flores ruling. Trump's attempted workaround is isolated concentration camps they are technically free to leave but don't, because they are helpless children.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:29 pmPresumably, Trump is trying to discourage illegals from using children as a "get out of jail free" card. And sometimes they even have to determine if the children do in fact belong to the parents.analhamster wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:21 pm Looking at the cages is missing the point, of course they've always been used. The difference was in policy, under past administrations they tried to minimise the time children held, and ensure families were held together. Trump decided to intentionally take people's children as a deterrent, and hold children and families as long as they could get away with it. Those are very different approaches, and trump did set up concentration camps, but the basic facilities over than the new camps were the same.
The point is, if he is within the law, and it's a strategy to reduce illegal immigration in the future, then I'm for it. Children have been and will continue to be detained. We can't put them up in 4 star hotels. Probably a lot of them are already living better than they did in their home countries.
Your strategy of taking children away from their parents to try and scare the parents into not making legal asylum claims is not legal. And it makes you a bit of a cunt frankly. Just not a nice thing to do.
You just stated you supported the strategy of taking children away from parents as a deterrent. Cunty is the only apt description for that. Releasing them within the US to family or foster care, with a court date to appear, is in fact the alternative. The other legal alternative would be to speed up court processes by putting more resources in, so they would not need to be held for more than 20 days before a hearing.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:05 amIt’s not my strategy. Findings of law can go up to the Supreme Court before they are resolved. The court of public opinion (and resulting party pressure) can be more effective.analhamster wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:41 pmHe was not within the law, he lost several legal challenges before backing down in the face of overwhelming public opinion. Children can only be held up to 20 days for initial processing under the Flores ruling. Trump's attempted workaround is isolated concentration camps they are technically free to leave but don't, because they are helpless children.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:29 pmPresumably, Trump is trying to discourage illegals from using children as a "get out of jail free" card. And sometimes they even have to determine if the children do in fact belong to the parents.analhamster wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:21 pm Looking at the cages is missing the point, of course they've always been used. The difference was in policy, under past administrations they tried to minimise the time children held, and ensure families were held together. Trump decided to intentionally take people's children as a deterrent, and hold children and families as long as they could get away with it. Those are very different approaches, and trump did set up concentration camps, but the basic facilities over than the new camps were the same.
The point is, if he is within the law, and it's a strategy to reduce illegal immigration in the future, then I'm for it. Children have been and will continue to be detained. We can't put them up in 4 star hotels. Probably a lot of them are already living better than they did in their home countries.
Your strategy of taking children away from their parents to try and scare the parents into not making legal asylum claims is not legal. And it makes you a bit of a cunt frankly. Just not a nice thing to do.
The cunt thing I can do without. This nation has the right to secure its borders, as does any other sovereign nation. The alternative would be to, what... release them within the U.S.?
I’m all for speeding up the process, but not a fan of releasing them with a court date. The reason I don’t go for name calling is that I’m a grown man on the internet. Accomplishments and hash marks up to my neck. It’s not my style to argue by attack, or really respond to same. Twenty years ago, sure, but not today.analhamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:11 amYou just stated you supported the strategy of taking children away from parents as a deterrent. Cunty is the only apt description for that. Releasing them within the US to family or foster care, with a court date to appear, is in fact the alternative. The other legal alternative would be to speed up court processes by putting more resources in, so they would not need to be held for more than 20 days before a hearing.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:05 amIt’s not my strategy. Findings of law can go up to the Supreme Court before they are resolved. The court of public opinion (and resulting party pressure) can be more effective.analhamster wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:41 pmHe was not within the law, he lost several legal challenges before backing down in the face of overwhelming public opinion. Children can only be held up to 20 days for initial processing under the Flores ruling. Trump's attempted workaround is isolated concentration camps they are technically free to leave but don't, because they are helpless children.VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:29 pmPresumably, Trump is trying to discourage illegals from using children as a "get out of jail free" card. And sometimes they even have to determine if the children do in fact belong to the parents.analhamster wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:21 pm Looking at the cages is missing the point, of course they've always been used. The difference was in policy, under past administrations they tried to minimise the time children held, and ensure families were held together. Trump decided to intentionally take people's children as a deterrent, and hold children and families as long as they could get away with it. Those are very different approaches, and trump did set up concentration camps, but the basic facilities over than the new camps were the same.
The point is, if he is within the law, and it's a strategy to reduce illegal immigration in the future, then I'm for it. Children have been and will continue to be detained. We can't put them up in 4 star hotels. Probably a lot of them are already living better than they did in their home countries.
Your strategy of taking children away from their parents to try and scare the parents into not making legal asylum claims is not legal. And it makes you a bit of a cunt frankly. Just not a nice thing to do.
The cunt thing I can do without. This nation has the right to secure its borders, as does any other sovereign nation. The alternative would be to, what... release them within the U.S.?
Kind of makes you wonder what kind of shitty situation they are fleeing from then, eh chuck? But that would require compassion and a brain that wasn't dry-rotted from Breitbart and rush Limbaugh.Charliesheen wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:54 am They are not fit as parents. Breaking laws as a path of least resistance to sidestep the process others follow legally.
They need to be disincentivized. If they really do care for their children. If theirs at all.